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Mykal
01-07-2011, 11:22 PM
Im looking to buy a Hobart 140. I dont have 220 in the garage.

Is the Hobart 140 enough to weld the brackets to 60s? I dont want to die and Im not a great welder.

ridgerunner97
01-07-2011, 11:30 PM
YES, it is the same one we have at the house, it is a great unit.

limegreentj
01-07-2011, 11:33 PM
take your time, don't over work it and don''t push the duty cycle, PRACTICE A LOT before doing any work that your life will depend on!

ridgerunner97
01-07-2011, 11:37 PM
If you want the brackets on I'm sure my dad would burn em on for you. That really isn't something you want to be your first welding project LOL. I know you want to learn how to weld and get a welder just sayin I know I wouldn't trust myself welding axle bracketry on if it was the first thing I was welding :)

trailerrails
01-08-2011, 09:25 AM
That really isn't something you want to be your first welding project LOL. I know you want to learn how to weld and get a welder just sayin I know I wouldn't trust myself welding axle bracketry on if it was the first thing I was welding :)

X2.

With a little welder like that you should get a set of torches. When working with thicker steel (More than 3/16") you should preheat the the parts before you weld them.

Mykal
01-08-2011, 09:29 AM
Well, its not the first thing Ive welded. I just dont have a lot of experience in welding. Ive put off welding anything structural because I dont trust myself yet. This was more out of curiosity. Ill more then likely use it to tack everything and take it to a friend to have it welded with a 220 welder.

john00TJ
01-08-2011, 02:47 PM
i wouldnt weld any important suspension brackets on with a 110v ..tack it and get someone with a bigger machine to burn it on ..60s weight alot plus the tires and wheels ..lots of stress on some little ass welds just my .02

DeathBlade556
01-08-2011, 03:51 PM
Now, if you prepare it right a 110 machine can do it easy. Its just the right bevel and the right passes.

limegreentj
01-08-2011, 03:52 PM
^pre heat also

willysrule
01-08-2011, 05:00 PM
a good 110 welder can make a fine weld...we have used suitcase 110 boxes in remote locations at work many times...with the right set up, prep, preheat and filler those welders will lay just as strong of a weld...just not as fast and probably require more passes

personally when doing something structual I like ARC (stick) welding better than MIG

ridgerunner97
01-08-2011, 10:10 PM
^ Agreed, I'm no expert but I prefer the stick for stuff like that. I am not great (welds are ugly LOL) But they haven't failed, implements, bracketry other stuff. We have a big gas Miller Arc welder at the house, a Little Miller Buzz box, A big Linc tombstone, and the Hobart 140. Haven't come across anything we haven't been able to weld yet. Just have to take your time and prep the material correctly.

oros35
01-14-2011, 01:08 PM
If your real careful 110 can work. But 220 is more fool proof.

How about a Miller 211, will run off of 110 or 220, so if you get 220 in the future you won't need to get a bigger machine, just plug it in. (110 is still limited, just has higher settings for 220)

xj jimmy
01-14-2011, 01:20 PM
get a 220 and run the power. you wont regret it, used 110 mig for a while once i got the 220 stick wired up i kicked myself in the a** for not doing it sooner.
dont get me wrong its nice having friends that will do it, but its really nice not having to rely on someone else.

Sloth_Fratelli
01-14-2011, 04:44 PM
where you live at? the old man i used to work with would probably hook up 220 up pretty cheap for you if your not too far away and your junction box isnt a nightmare

jim91303
01-14-2011, 05:13 PM
with a 110 .... PRE-HEAT, BEVEL EDGES OF BRACKET, 3 PASSES MIN. OVERLAPPING

thats the way i do it and never had an issue yet

highlandercj-7
01-14-2011, 05:31 PM
Get 220v installed before you start then you will never have to worry about not enough power again. That was the first thing I had to do when I moved into my house and my last rental garage.
I am looking into a new Hobart too. The smallest I am considering is the Handler 187, it would get the job done. If you need a cheaper welder that can do it get a ARC (stick) welder. The old Lincoln 225AC and 225 AC/DC welders can be had all day long on CL and the Bullitin Board. When I need to burn heavy steel and structural steel that's what I prefer to use. I picked my ac/dc version up for $175.00 with 60' lead extensions. I been seeing the 225ac version on there in the 75-125.00 range on a regular basis.

Here's one over the hill from my house for $125.00
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/2121241725.html

http://images.craigslist.org/3nc3md3p85Y15Q45P3acm09899c42356e1d21.jpg

ridgerunner97
01-14-2011, 05:52 PM
^ I have that same welder but its the AC/DC. I'm thinking about setting it up for TIG w/o a footpedal setup. It won't be perfect but would be handy for us the few times we would want to do something TIG.

willysrule
01-15-2011, 02:40 PM
^ I have that same welder but its the AC/DC. I'm thinking about setting it up for TIG w/o a footpedal setup. It won't be perfect but would be handy for us the few times we would want to do something TIG.


scratch start set ups are not that much $$$...you'll need a bottle of argon and a regulator if you dont have one...

Scratch start TIG is a little tricky for clean starts and stops but with a few tricks and some practice you'll pick it up...the biggest thing people have trouble with is getting the heat set just right and remembering to turn the gas on!

ridgerunner97
01-15-2011, 03:08 PM
I watched a really informative video on youtube by an older guy who was demonstrating how to do it that way. Got me thinking, he laid out how to get a good start and stop that you strike off the edge of your workpiece on a piece of scrap and then draw across onto your workpiece it was clean. He was also a master from the looks of it hahaha which I am most definately not. I trust myself for implements and attachements but not for major structural things like suspension work or something like that. Still need to practice ALOT more.

willysrule
01-15-2011, 11:37 PM
if you get the set up shoot me a PM...I'll show you a few tricks...

ridgerunner97
01-16-2011, 10:56 AM
Sweet, when I get it together I'll definately shoot ya a PM, might be a month or two but I'd appreciate that.

hyperbuzzin
01-16-2011, 01:34 PM
I didn't see anyone mention it, but the Hobart 140 is 110volt and can work w/ or w/o gas. Atleast the one I have, which I got about 6 years ago, is like that.
Haven't tried welding anything thicker than 1/4" or so with it.... yet. Gotta get the laser guy or water jet guy at work to burn me out some parts for a skid and maybe sliders, get the welder back from my dad, THEN give it a good workout!

ridgerunner97
01-16-2011, 02:51 PM
we just used the Hobart 140 on 110v to weld some 3/16 and 1/4 plate for gussetting on a 3pt hitch plow setup. .035 Flux Core wire, burned in really well.

TJDAVE
03-26-2011, 07:59 PM
I am a foreman at a local fab/welding shop. We use a Miller 110v mig once in awhile to tack together some structural 1/4" parts. I never tried welding 1/4" steel with it just because it would take too much time preheating it and we have several 220 machines there.. Take John00TJ's advice and tack it on and have someone with a 220 machine weld it.. That way there would be no doubt of whether or not its going to work!

notmYJ
03-26-2011, 08:44 PM
What shop?

TJDAVE
03-27-2011, 09:24 AM
Mark TK Welding..

tjblair
04-01-2011, 10:49 PM
Why is it that all these spammers cannot speak English?

limegreentj
04-01-2011, 10:59 PM
cuz they are crooks from another country most likely

chain
08-27-2011, 09:40 PM
I have been looking at getting a welder and was thinking the Miller 140 w/ Autoset. If I were to go with a 220 welder, will it weld stuff as thin as a 120 can or would I still want a smaller welder for thin stuff? Thinking body work and stuff like that.

ridgerunner97
08-27-2011, 09:45 PM
Yes it will.

Wbertoty
09-03-2011, 05:12 PM
I am currently running a 220v service to my garage, 6awg wire over a 50' run with a 220v 60A main breaker, should this be ok to run a older linclon arc welder? Keep in mind I do need to run my garage lights and garage doors off this same service, split down to 110v of course.

ezman
09-03-2011, 07:42 PM
i'll toss my 2 cents in. you can use a small 220v machine for sheet metal but it sucks and you have to run gas. flux core will blow right through. but in all practicality just get a 110v machine. you aren't welding in your garage for a living so the amount of extra time for prep is not a big deal. with a properly set up 110v machine and a properly set up joint. little pre heat is needed. 1/8 or less you don't need to. 3/16 to 1/4 you should heat it up. but you don't have to get it cherry hot. as you start to weld the metal will heat up. i use a lincoln pro mig 140 everything on my current build has been welded with it. except for the cage, but that's because it was done at my buddy's shop.

unless you plan on doing a lot of welding on metal thicker than 1/4 don't waste your money on the bigger machine. you'll be just fine with the 110v machine.

limegreentj
09-03-2011, 10:02 PM
theres a guy that knows what he's talking about^

i said that before, and i tell a lot of people that but they have a tough time listening....lol...always assuming bigger is better

oros35
09-03-2011, 11:23 PM
But to do good strong welds with 110 you have to have patience. That's the biggest error I see people make. Slow and careful and 110 can do alot.

I'd still reccomend the machines that can do both 110 and 220. Not too often you can buy tools that versitile for not that much of a price jump.

highlandercj-7
09-04-2011, 12:01 PM
A guy in masontown just had a Hobart 187 for $400 on CL I was jacked to miss it.

ridgerunner97
09-04-2011, 12:40 PM
^ Damn thats a good deal!

highlandercj-7
09-04-2011, 11:05 PM
Yeah I know they are 650 at TSC. I did manage to pick up a plasma cutter though so it's not too bad lol.

joe_and_jeep
09-05-2011, 10:19 AM
Yeah I know they are 650 at TSC. I did manage to pick up a plasma cutter though so it's not too bad lol.

Every so often they have a 20% coupon. I love my 187!

highlandercj-7
09-05-2011, 11:50 AM
Yeah I know, I been looking for it to come around again. KC has one too. I really want the 210 Ironman so I can use the spool gun too.

Sycotik Skier
09-05-2011, 10:22 PM
A friend and I split a 187 from tsc. It was on sale a couple of months ago for like 550. I love it. I'm fairly certain you can get a spool gun for it too.