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Bill
06-24-2007, 11:21 PM
So, its true... MFSteve is finally a Jeep owner again. It has taken a while but it has finally happened, he bought an MJ. Yes, I know what you are thinking - real Jeeps have round headlights (That is just a joke... calm down) but Steve never get that, even his old Wrangler was of the square headlight variety.

The Jeep is in GREAT shape for the model / year, especially considering the $300 purchase price. The body is extremely solid due to the fact that the Jeep is from Georgia and hasn't been subjected to the Pennsylvania winter salt. The color is kinda ugly, I referred to it as variant of trailer park flesh-colored nastiness. (He ran with that and nicknamed it project Wife Beater.)

Oh, and moment everyone has been waiting for... The pictures...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240006.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240009.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240010.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240014.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/o|||||||o/Project%20MJ/P6240013.jpg

After tomorrow the project will be residing at my place... Oh, and the work will begin. I will let Steve describe the fine details, or at least the initial plans.

Welcome back to Jeep ownership man!

XJchris98
06-24-2007, 11:35 PM
Looks schweeeeeeeeet! :035:

MF Steve!
06-24-2007, 11:40 PM
It was one hell of a buy! There is such a small amount of rust, I should be able to pull the dents and go right for the prep/paint. It's an extremely solid truck, no bed rust, and no tailgate rot...which is just about unheard of in this area. It's a 2.5L w/ a 5-speed @ 167,xxx miles...both of which will make their way to the for sale section on the forum. It's a solid running truck, has all its power and drives well.

The only reason I'm going to trailer it home tomorrow is the fact that there is a good wobble in the front end. It's either a unit bearing or a bent wheel.

OverkillZJ
06-24-2007, 11:44 PM
You stole that for 300... Congrats! Can't' wait to see what it turns into.

cjw94xk
06-25-2007, 12:36 AM
Guy I used to work for had one and I drove it all the time.. I love those damn things. I would love to get my hands on one!

WilberFJones
06-25-2007, 01:00 AM
Sweet man...what are the plans?

OverkillZJ
06-25-2007, 01:06 AM
Let me know if you don't find a tow-trailer, I just need to weld up my front end to get it off the trailer.

xj5speedmodifyed2004
06-25-2007, 01:56 AM
deffently nice man congrats!!

gonecheenin
06-25-2007, 08:31 AM
Killer

Mj's kickass when built into a Mo-Cheen

44 rear?


Answer something for me too, do those things have a seperate frame or not?

jeepxj3
06-25-2007, 08:33 AM
Killer

Mj's kickass when built into a Mo-Cheen

44 rear?


Answer something for me too, do those things have a seperate frame or not?

turdy5... Its a 2.5

MF Steve!
06-25-2007, 08:37 AM
Killer

Mj's kickass when built into a Mo-Cheen

44 rear?


Answer something for me too, do those things have a seperate frame or not?

Yeah, it has a D35 rear as of now...but will be getting a D44. I was going to go full width, but I'm not up for the extra expenses.

The "frame" situation is interesting. The front half (cab) is the same exact unibody as a Cherokee. At the end of the cab, it converts to an actual frame rail. It's a huge rail...with more than enough cross bracing. Here's a shot of part of the rear frame:

http://i14.tinypic.com/2z7g39u.jpg

gonecheenin
06-25-2007, 08:42 AM
The "frame" situation is interesting. The front half (cab) is the same exact unibody as a Cherokee. At the end of the cab, it converts to an actual frame rail. It's a huge rail...with more than enough cross bracing. Here's a shot of part of the rear frame:

http://i14.tinypic.com/2z7g39u.jpg

Well how do you like that, kinda explains why theres so much confusion on the subject

Wrecker
06-25-2007, 09:36 AM
I like you less and less each day. Good find. When I was on vacation I was sort of looking for something to get dirty. Must be from the south, rust sucks.

Bill
06-25-2007, 09:39 AM
I like you less and less each day.

Yeah, nobody likes that guy! :043:

MF Steve!
06-25-2007, 09:39 AM
I like you less and less each day. Good find. When I was on vacation I was sort of looking for something to get dirty. Must be from the south, rust sucks.

Yeeeep! Georgia truck.

LordAthens
06-25-2007, 09:47 AM
Looks good, I can't believe you stole that for $300.

I have an idea what your plans are, but of course I'm not sure.

So what are the plans for it?

MF Steve!
06-25-2007, 10:12 AM
Plans are GO BIG, DO IT RIGHT THE 1ST TIME!

-Shorten the bed up significantly
-Strengthen the unibody front half
-2x4 rocker fit in
-4.0L, NV4500, RocTrac 242 or D300 twin stick t-case
-Pair of 44 axles, or a 44 front 9" rear
-Long arms up front
-Spring over out back
-F&R lockers
-37's
-'96+ dash, and console
-TJ seats
-Full cage

-'96+ front clip
-The badass blue Dodge Power Wagon paint!

Bill
06-25-2007, 10:18 AM
96+ front clip?

MF Steve!
06-25-2007, 10:22 AM
I added that.

2002wranglerX
06-25-2007, 11:20 AM
should be sweet when it's done! you finally don't have to ride bitch anymore!

XJ667
06-25-2007, 11:46 AM
Steve got a prefect set axles for it in the garage. HP 44 and 9". 44 got new ball joints and the 9" got mini spool. you could do the extended raduis arms which I also have half built. Let it go for $500 for the set with arms. And can throw in a locker for the frnot for $150 more. Just an idea.

Good buy for a good trail rig.

And maybe you can shot a spring out like I did. LOL

jeepxj3
06-25-2007, 11:58 AM
96+ front clip?

yes, I have one waiting for him :096: its gonna be a SICK truck!

Bill
06-25-2007, 12:03 PM
I think we need to place wagers on how long it takes to get this thing on the trail. We can all pick a week,$5 each week, whoever is the closest without going over wins the pot.

From what I hear Steve is about to become a hermit and not socialize until it is done...

Muzikman
06-25-2007, 12:05 PM
Umm, are we talking about when it is DONE, or when it is on the trail? I mean obviously some of that stuff does not have to be done to be trail ready.

Just curious, is it going to be a trailer queen or you going to make it streetable?

Bill
06-25-2007, 12:07 PM
The first time it hits Ligonier, or C-Ville.

Oh, and I am pretty sure it is not going to be a desigated trailer queen.

jeepxj3
06-25-2007, 12:16 PM
I still think the 14bolt is a better idea.

Bill
06-25-2007, 12:59 PM
Nah, do the D44 in the rear. They are easy to find and easy to put in.

Muzikman
06-25-2007, 01:04 PM
Rockwells damnit...I thought he was doing it right the first time? ;)

Bill
06-25-2007, 01:11 PM
This is a build on a budget. I am sure it will be quite capable when it is all said and done.

OverkillZJ
06-25-2007, 01:14 PM
I'd never go with a 14b w/ tires less than 42's, I get hung up on it a lot.

YZEATER
06-25-2007, 01:24 PM
I'd never go with a 14b w/ tires less than 42's, I get hung up on it a lot.

just cut the bottom off, and plate it back up.

OverkillZJ
06-25-2007, 01:30 PM
Planning on it.

pghxterra
06-25-2007, 10:21 PM
Not to be too nebby but ballpark the budget.... please?

Jpdst29
06-25-2007, 10:34 PM
steve, i have been trying to find that 2008 dodge power wagon blue...where can i see it at...i am intrigued...i cant even find anything on the 2008 dodge power wagon, let alone it in blue

MF Steve!
06-26-2007, 01:50 AM
Not to be too nebby but ballpark the budget.... please?

I didn't say budget...Bill did. It will eventually have everything I want it to have. I'd say probably somewhere around $6,000.


steve, i have been trying to find that 2008 dodge power wagon blue...where can i see it at...i am intrigued...i cant even find anything on the 2008 dodge power wagon, let alone it in blue

It's the same bright blue that is on the Nitro sitting at Mick's up on Rt. 60.

It's actually called "electric blue."

http://carad.ebayimg.com/i19/01/a/000/77/8e/b416_4.JPG

Jpdst29
06-26-2007, 07:18 AM
oh yeah...that color is badass...good choice...

gonecheenin
06-26-2007, 08:03 AM
I know where you can get an entire wrecked 93-ish dodge W300 (got a real D60 up front) with the 6BT & a stick for $1500 :unibrow:

MF Steve!
06-26-2007, 10:37 AM
I know where you can get an entire wrecked 93-ish dodge W300 (got a real D60 up front) with the 6BT & a stick for $1500 :unibrow:

Thanks for the info man...I think I'm going to stay away from full widths, just for clearance issues, and streetablility. Diesel would be wicked, but I think it might be a bit too heavy for my front end. What kind of transmission is it?

jeepxj3
06-26-2007, 11:00 AM
just cut the bottom off, and plate it back up.

werd
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w90/Timmay828/07010104.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w90/Timmay828/07010111.jpg

gonecheenin
06-26-2007, 11:19 AM
Thanks for the info man...I think I'm going to stay away from full widths, just for clearance issues, and streetablility. Diesel would be wicked, but I think it might be a bit too heavy for my front end. What kind of transmission is it?

Yeah the 6BT is big, seen an MJ in HRJA with a 4BT in it though, that things was sweet!


Not sure what the tranny is model wise, but it is a 5 speed overdrive

DMG
06-26-2007, 11:43 AM
It is a Getrag if it is a CTD stick before 94. There is a kit to swap in a NVG4500.

How badly is it wrecked?

gonecheenin
06-26-2007, 12:04 PM
It is a Getrag if it is a CTD stick before 94. There is a kit to swap in a NVG4500.

How badly is it wrecked?

Don't know for sure, haven't seen it yet

Dude said it wasn't drivable cause it has a flat tire, but it should pull right up onto a trailer if you throw a battery in it

If your interested PM me & I'll get you a ph# (Its a dude I work with)

DodgeMudder
06-26-2007, 12:36 PM
Don't know for sure, haven't seen it yet

Dude said it wasn't drivable cause it has a flat tire, but it should pull right up onto a trailer if you throw a battery in it

If your interested PM me & I'll get you a ph# (Its a dude I work with)


I'm definately interested, can you get me some more info?

MF Steve!
06-26-2007, 12:54 PM
Anywhoooo...I'm not going w/ a diesel. I want something I can drop in there, with minimal hassle, confusion, and time. It's going to be a 4.0L, with an NV4500 behind it. The extra low 1st gear, and the excellent overdrive will do me very good both on the trail and getting to it. T-case is still up in the air...I know I'll have a tough time finding a Roc-Trac out of a Rubicon for a somewhat decent price, but ya never know. I'd take a 231 w/ a 4:1 kit, or do up a D300 too.

Driveline is a long ways out, I'm kinda doing this build backwards, all my trimming and armor will be first, because it's cheap and I can afford it with minimal money right now. Obviously if I come across a great deal on a part, or someone wants to trade parts for fabrication work...I'm all about it.

gonecheenin
06-26-2007, 01:05 PM
I'm definately interested, can you get me some more info?

I'll shoot ya' PM


T-case is still up in the air...I know I'll have a tough time finding a Roc-Trac out of a Rubicon for a somewhat decent price, but ya never know. I'd take a 231 w/ a 4:1 kit, or do up a D300 too.


231 into a D300 via the DD kit from Pirate :054:

MF Steve!
06-26-2007, 01:08 PM
231 into a D300 via the DD kit from Pirate :054:

Link?

gonecheenin
06-26-2007, 01:25 PM
Link?


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451754


I just bought a D300 for my YJ to twin stick & put behind my 231 with this kit :gear_cool2:

MF Steve!
06-26-2007, 01:45 PM
Ehh...that's a bit much. I'd rather just pay for one t-case...

gonecheenin
06-26-2007, 02:00 PM
Ehh...that's a bit much. I'd rather just pay for one t-case...?

400 is too much?

Got my D300 for $125 & I already have the 231, while the cheapest teralow/ D300 low gear set I've ever seen is 800-ish and Atlas/Stak is $2300-ish

You get a 7.1:1 low without being stuck with a 4:1 single low range

Simple twin stickability and stock fixed yokes

D300 4:1 upgradeable later for stupid low AND more middle ground options

Only a couple inchs longer then the 231 itself

Plus if you blow something apart a junkyard t-case is all you need
and you can run this at any speed unlike the tera-low

MF Steve!
06-26-2007, 02:08 PM
I would have to buy a 231, a 300, a twin stick setup, that kit, bla bla bla. I just found a Roc-Trac for $700...it's looking pretty good w/ 24k miles on it.

gonecheenin
06-26-2007, 02:17 PM
I would have to buy a 231, a 300, a twin stick setup, that kit, bla bla bla. I just found a Roc-Trac for $700...it's looking pretty good w/ 24k miles on it.


Thats pretty cheap from the sound of things, I just don't like the one low range your stuck with and the fact that if something fails then you need a new rocktrac


You got a 231 in your truck already, you could just swap in the new input :004:

MF Steve!
06-26-2007, 02:39 PM
Thats pretty cheap from the sound of things, I just don't like the one low range your stuck with and the fact that if something fails then you need a new rocktrac


You got a 231 in your truck already, you could just swap in the new input :004:

Actually I don't. The Comanche is from Georgia, and as the majority of the trucks down there are, it is 2wd. I've drove/rode multiple rigs with the Roc-Trac case, and it will serve me just fine. I don't want the complications of slush boxes, doublers, or conversion kits. Simple is good in my book.

MF Steve!
06-26-2007, 02:57 PM
So, can we change the title of this thread to ***MF Steve's Project Wife Beater Commanche*** ...Or should I just start a new one?

Bill
06-26-2007, 03:05 PM
So, can we change the title of this thread to ***MF Steve's Project Wife Beater Commanche*** ...Or should I just start a new one?

Done...

gonecheenin
06-26-2007, 04:01 PM
Actually I don't. The Comanche is from Georgia, and as the majority of the trucks down there are, it is 2wd.



Ohhhhhhhhhh, yeah that won't have a t-case then :011: :043:

MF Steve!
06-27-2007, 02:17 AM
Well, I got the rear bumper, tail lights, tailgate, flares, and interior out tonight during some down time before I installed a 1" body lift on a JK. There isn't even much rust on the floor pan...I still think I'm going to cut it out, just to make it easier for the 2x4 rocker tie in. Apparently while Bill and some others were at 4wd Hardware tonight, they came across a badass Comanche in the parking lot. It could be my project's idol.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/0626071836.jpg

gonecheenin
06-27-2007, 07:50 AM
Well, I got the rear bumper, tail lights, tailgate, flares, and interior out tonight during some down time before I installed a 1" body lift on a JK. There isn't even much rust on the floor pan...I still think I'm going to cut it out, just to make it easier for the 2x4 rocker tie in. Apparently while Bill and some others were at 4wd Hardware tonight, they came across a badass Comanche in the parking lot. It could be my project's idol.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/0626071836.jpg

That looks alot like the diesel one from the HRJA ride I was talkin' about :icon_super:

MF Steve!
06-27-2007, 09:05 AM
That looks alot like the diesel one from the HRJA ride I was talkin' about :icon_super:

Yep...it's a diesel. I had Bill invite him to the board, so hopefully when he gets on, he will come across this thread, and I can pick his brain!

jeepxj3
06-27-2007, 09:09 AM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/0626071836.jpg

I spy 5150's! ;)

MF Steve!
06-27-2007, 09:14 AM
TNT's too...So far I know this much about it: TNT Long Arms, BIlstein 5150's, SKyjacker 8.5" coils up front (diesel is heavy), 35" tires, Cummins 4BT.

REDjp500
06-27-2007, 12:19 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/0626071836.jpg


Not to take this off topic, but I like how Bill's tire looks like it is some massive size from the angle of the picture. Sweet looking truck too. I purchased a '86 T/A from Atlanta, had A LOT of mile on it, but not a spot of rust. Gotta love those southern vehicles.

Muzikman
06-27-2007, 12:29 PM
Those are not Bill's wheels / tires. My guess, that's Jenn's JK with 35's.

Alley
06-27-2007, 12:32 PM
Is the front higher than the rear in the truck? or is it just the picture..

Alley
06-27-2007, 12:34 PM
Yes, Bill has very nice wheels now that they are no longer shiny and bling like.... again it has to be said what a wonderful Job Steve did on Bill's rims... he uppped the jeep hotness by about 1000 percent.

MF Steve!
06-27-2007, 12:44 PM
Is the front higher than the rear in the truck? or is it just the picture..

The front sits higher because he just put the springs in. He has a sagging problem because of the diesel. The springs are only a ew days old, so they haven't settled yet.

Thats neither Bill's or Jenn's Jeep. That looks like a stock Rubicon wheel and tire to me. Jenn's Jeep was with me getting a 1" body lift. And Bill's was parked right next to it.

Alley
06-27-2007, 12:47 PM
Its yellow and its a Diesel..... who would not idolize that truck... I do now.

r6cyclegal
06-27-2007, 12:56 PM
But does it have neon lights???

REDjp500
06-27-2007, 12:58 PM
The front sits higher because he just put the springs in. He has a sagging problem because of the diesel. The springs are only a ew days old, so they haven't settled yet.

Thats neither Bill's or Jenn's Jeep. That looks like a stock Rubicon wheel and tire to me. Jenn's Jeep was with me getting a 1" body lift. And Bill's was parked right next to it.

My bad, I just assumed that was Bill's spare since he was there and he owns a rubicon. I also forgot about the thread with him painting his wheels and they aren't even the stock rubi wheels (man, I need to wake up) :075:

Bill
06-27-2007, 01:24 PM
Is the front higher than the rear in the truck? or is it just the picture..


The springs are brand new and they have not settled in yet. I know, I asked him.

Bill
06-27-2007, 01:25 PM
The front sits higher because he just put the springs in. He has a sagging problem because of the diesel. The springs are only a ew days old, so they haven't settled yet.

Thats neither Bill's or Jenn's Jeep. That looks like a stock Rubicon wheel and tire to me. Jenn's Jeep was with me getting a 1" body lift. And Bill's was parked right next to it.

It was a stock Rubi in the parking lot. I didn't even have my Jeep there.

Bill
06-27-2007, 01:27 PM
Oh, and did I mention... it is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Bill
06-27-2007, 01:41 PM
Yes, Bill has very nice wheels now that they are no longer shiny and bling like.... again it has to be said what a wonderful Job Steve did on Bill's rims... he uppped the jeep hotness by about 1000 percent.

I am glad you like it Alley, but I think I might break your heart in about a week or so...

I have something to show you... Your not gonna like the bling, not at all!

Alley
06-27-2007, 01:52 PM
Ugh, that doesn't sound good... maybe you can be talked out of it before hand, a week is quite awhile for you to change your mind for sure.

Bill
06-27-2007, 01:56 PM
Ugh, that doesn't sound good... maybe you can be talked out of it before hand, a week is quite awhile for you to change your mind for sure.

Too late.. The damage is done!

Alley
06-27-2007, 02:21 PM
Too late.. The damage is done!

So then what is it??

DodgeMudder
06-27-2007, 03:03 PM
So then what is it??
:worthless:

MF Steve!
06-27-2007, 03:09 PM
I know what it is...and it doesn't belong in my build thread!!!

r6cyclegal
06-27-2007, 03:11 PM
Pgh off topic hits again!

Alley
06-27-2007, 03:17 PM
Haven't seen much project photos either....

MF Steve!
06-27-2007, 04:33 PM
Haven't seen much project photos either....

Watch it. I'm busy lifting other peoples jeeps. Oh yeah...and at least mine runs!!!

Bill
06-27-2007, 04:37 PM
Haven't seen much project photos either....

He has only had it for a few days... what is your excuse? :006:

Alley
06-27-2007, 04:53 PM
I'm poor, can't weld...and the number one reason.. I'm from Cranberry!!

Alley
06-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Watch it. I'm busy lifting other peoples jeeps. Oh yeah...and at least mine runs!!!

Mine runs....

MF Steve!
06-28-2007, 01:39 AM
I need a permanent structure to work on this biotch in. I wanna get the old driveline out, and get it up on high jack stands. Does anyone know of a fair garage with a high door, and somewhere around 3000 sq. ft. that is for rent in the Bridgeville, Carnegie, Crafton area of town?

A few of us have been looking to go in on this together, but can't seem to find something that isn't going to cost top dollar. If anyone comes across anything, please PM me.

Thanks.

jeepxj3
06-28-2007, 02:52 PM
If this is gonna be a build thread then keep the pointless posts out please.

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 09:41 AM
Ok, so D44 f/r + 8" of lift will get you this! Room for 37's!!! It's also got front 4" YJ leafs...hmmm...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/randysford/my%20comanche/HPIM0557.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/randysford/my%20comanche/100_1047.jpg

joshs1ofakindxj
06-29-2007, 09:47 AM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d175/erotictophat/borat_nice.jpg

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 09:50 AM
Damn...I need to get started on this thing! Long down the road...if I ever had to re-build I'd be giong in this direction:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/magoo117/new2028.jpg

avenged7foldhc
06-29-2007, 10:43 AM
I need a permanent structure to work on this biotch in. I wanna get the old driveline out, and get it up on high jack stands. Does anyone know of a fair garage with a high door, and somewhere around 3000 sq. ft. that is for rent in the Bridgeville, Carnegie, Crafton area of town?

A few of us have been looking to go in on this together, but can't seem to find something that isn't going to cost top dollar. If anyone comes across anything, please PM me.

Thanks.



i thought you said you were gonna get some place on millers run for like $300/mo a few days ago... ?

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 10:47 AM
i thought you said you were gonna get some place on millers run for like $300/mo a few days ago... ?

Trying...

ArtCloud
06-29-2007, 11:12 AM
for 300 dollars a month i'd take out a loan and build my own garage.

Muzikman
06-29-2007, 11:13 AM
for 300 dollars a month i'd take out a loan and build my own garage.

But then you need the land to put it on.

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 11:15 AM
I'm trying to build a rig, not build a goddamn garage. I wanna build this, not something to put it in. It's $300 a month, split 4 ways = cheap. I WANT TO PAY FOR PARTS, NOT A BUILDING.

Muzikman
06-29-2007, 11:17 AM
How long you thinking of renting the place?

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 11:17 AM
Anyways, I can't put a 4.0L in the MJ. It has a shit ass firewall that won't permit anything with a longer block. So, who knows anything about Cummins 4bt?

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 11:18 AM
How long you thinking of renting the place?

Who knows...That's the least of my concerns. I just want to get to building!

Wrecker
06-29-2007, 11:23 AM
Used in Case skid loaders and such. Ask Scrambled he used to work on case stuff. I not sure if they where ever used in auto stuff.

mxg342
06-29-2007, 11:48 AM
They were used in commecial vehicles as well. (The most I've seen lately have been from box vans with Turbo 400 trannies) There was one that just sold on eBay. The guy was in beaver. Sweet little motor!!!!


What about a V6? Can't you shove a 4.3 or something in those?

joshs1ofakindxj
06-29-2007, 11:54 AM
maybe its the percoset (OTC stuff not cutting it anymore) talking but i say move the rad to the bed and throw the 4.0L in there!

scrambled
06-29-2007, 11:55 AM
here is a good thread on putting the Cummins in your Jeep.

Best bet if you dont already have an engine is an old bread truck or something, I think the Gruman trucks used the 4bt.

They are good engines and I think that would be an awesome swap...

http://http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=2674808

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 12:00 PM
The link doesn't seem to be working...

gonecheenin
06-29-2007, 12:04 PM
Anyways, I can't put a 4.0L in the MJ. It has a shit ass firewall that won't permit anything with a longer block. So, who knows anything about Cummins 4bt?


?????????????


I've seen 4.0's in MJ's, is yours an older model that never had them or something?

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 12:11 PM
?????????????


I've seen 4.0's in MJ's, is yours an older model that never had them or something?

Apparently in '86 the firewall was completely different. '86 MJ never had a 4.0L, but there is word of some having a more current fire wall to prep. for a 4.0L. I thought it'd fit too...but the dickbags over on jeepin.com have shouted otherwise.

WilberFJones
06-29-2007, 12:14 PM
The link doesn't seem to be working...

http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=2674808

try that...just an extra http:// in the front of his

anodyne33
06-29-2007, 12:40 PM
Apparently in '86 the firewall was completely different. '86 MJ never had a 4.0L, but there is word of some having a more current fire wall to prep. for a 4.0L. I thought it'd fit too...but the dickbags over on jeepin.com have shouted otherwise.
Have you searched at NAXJA? Lots of MJ people over there too.

ArtCloud
06-29-2007, 02:08 PM
i wonder if there are any companies that make special engine mounts for the using the 4.0L in your particular application??

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 03:15 PM
i wonder if there are any companies that make special engine mounts for the using the 4.0L in your particular application??

It's the F'N firewall, not the motor mounts!!! Reeeeeeead!!!

SirFuego
06-29-2007, 03:37 PM
Anyways, I can't put a 4.0L in the MJ. It has a shit ass firewall that won't permit anything with a longer block. So, who knows anything about Cummins 4bt?

A local (Buffalo) guy swapped a Cummins 4bt into his ZJ.
http://www.wnyoffroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=871
That thread hasn't been updated in a while, but he just got it up an running a few weeks ago. He may be able to give you some information on a 4bt, but it's doubtful he knows the specifics on how to fit it in the MJ...

MF Steve!
06-29-2007, 03:45 PM
A local (Buffalo) guy swapped a Cummins 4bt into his ZJ.
http://www.wnyoffroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=871
That thread hasn't been updated in a while, but he just got it up an running a few weeks ago. He may be able to give you some information on a 4bt, but it's doubtful he knows the specifics on how to fit it in the MJ...

Thanks for the info, and thanks to everyone else for their info. I'm not worried about how to fit it into the MJ, just need info on the motor itself. I don't know shit about diesel, or that specific model. Research and work will resume Monday, it's time for 3 days of boozin and campin!

ArtCloud
06-29-2007, 05:43 PM
It's the F'N firewall, not the motor mounts!!! Reeeeeeead!!!

I did F'N read, if the issue is that the engine is mounted too close to the firewall, MAYBE there's a company out there that make a motor/tranny mount kit that pulls the engine closer to the front of the chasis. Or maybe you could fab something up....

Something like this, is more or less what I was refering to. (http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/product.aspx?id=1180)

Just get the measurment how far apart the perches for the engine mounts of a wrangler or cherokee. Fab up some perches, weld them onto your chasis wherever you desire and bolt those mounts up from the link above (or the stock ones if they're the same design). Making your own perches you can even raise / lower the engine however much you need or desire.

WilberFJones
06-29-2007, 11:58 PM
I don't know shit about diesel, or that specific model.

My opinion is that you'd be much better off in the long-run with a gasoline engine. Much easier to work on, much easier to get someone to work on, and much cheaper when something does go wrong -- because something will go wrong. Diesels are nice for their low-end power and are probably well-suited for off-road applications and turning big 37" tires without super low gearing, but with the right gearing, and a nice gasoline engine, I think you'll do fine. Not to mention, if you did run out of gas on the trail or anything like that, you could always steal some from someone else on the trail if you had gasoline.

Krod
06-30-2007, 12:09 AM
I got your 4" YJ springs if you decide to go that route.





EDIT: and what the hell is wrong with putting in a 2.4L Turbo or even the 2.5L if the 4.0 doesnt work out. For a trail rig, what does it matter????? You'll probably tow with the Chebby, and with 44's you can go 5.13's on 37's no problem. Install the 4:1 case and go crawling.

gonecheenin
06-30-2007, 07:56 AM
I got your 4" YJ springs if you decide to go that route.





EDIT: and what the hell is wrong with putting in a 2.4L Turbo or even the 2.5L if the 4.0 doesnt work out. For a trail rig, what does it matter????? You'll probably tow with the Chebby, and with 44's you can go 5.13's on 37's no problem. Install the 4:1 case and go crawling.

The only time I ever hated my 2.5 YJ was on the highway trying to maintain 75 mph

Around town and in the woods that little engine kicked ass

Krod
06-30-2007, 09:35 AM
The only time I ever hated my 2.5 YJ was on the highway trying to maintain 75 mph

Around town and in the woods that little engine kicked ass

X10000

and they are stupid easy to work on, reliable, and easy to rebuild.
Go snag one from a junkyard, rebuild it for $800 (BUILT for that price...less $$ if you just want to bring it back to stock), put the NV3550 behind it with your choice of transfer case ( with a 4:1 ).

Reliable, cheap, and fits.

gearhead313
07-01-2007, 09:18 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/magoo117/new2028.jpg


o m g

now that is whats up!!!

SirFuego
07-05-2007, 03:20 PM
I saw over at Comanche Club that you are thinking Clayton's long arms on the front. Have you been able to verify that the XJ front kit will fit in the front? Or will there need to be slight modifications to it?

From what I gather from searching there, supposedly the extra bracing in the MJ's unibody caused issues with other long arm kits, but not sure if the same is the case for Clayton's.

Krod
07-05-2007, 03:41 PM
looks like a Clayton's setup on the MJ-truggy in the photo ^^

I'm sure steve's able to work around any "clearance Issues" lol :s-minigun:

gearhead313
07-05-2007, 03:53 PM
from what I remember, you do have to massage something around... heck if google gave me any good information just now.

I'd want to build a little more to it anyway and make a crossmember to finish out a nice skid plate. Thats something I always wished I would have done with my ZJ, but never got around to it.

MF Steve!
07-05-2007, 03:59 PM
Clayton's kit is listed on his site as for the XJ. The kit doesn't come with a massive skid like the TNT kit, just a beefy crossmember with the mounts for the links.

http://www.claytonoffroad.com/index.aspx?sdr=/get.doc.aspx&qs=LD:Parts%20List&l=make!model!modelEx&p=Jeep!Cherokee!XJ

Edit: for the cost of all the kits out there, I'm debating on learning some suspension geometry, and doing my own setup. I'll have to figure out the cost of all the materials vs. buying a kit. We'll see...I'm tapped out for cash at the moment, but things are looking up. The MJ may get big quick.

notmYJ
07-05-2007, 08:17 PM
Steve, I know of a place in carnegie industrial park. Its got gas, electric, and water.... Hell the thing has 3 phase if you need it. The landlord will go month to month, no contract, no limits on what you can do or when you can do it. Not sure on the cost.

If your still looking drop me a line.

MF Steve!
07-05-2007, 10:18 PM
Steve, I know of a place in carnegie industrial park. Its got gas, electric, and water.... Hell the thing has 3 phase if you need it. The landlord will go month to month, no contract, no limits on what you can do or when you can do it. Not sure on the cost.

If your still looking drop me a line.

Hmm...very interested. Please PM more info! Thanks...

gearhead313
07-05-2007, 10:57 PM
I had dreams of 4-linking the ZJ front and rear, but the cost of round tube and heims alone was too hard to swallow.

ezman
07-05-2007, 11:34 PM
that's why you just use square tubing and some johnny joints...
front suspension geometry isn't that hard... **** the numbers... trying to calculate shit just complicates it and screws you up...
just try to get your lower control arms as close to parallel to the ground as you can... this is debatable... but i say run one full length upper along the driver side.... trying to keep the same angle as the lowers.... make sure the axle is centered up and mount the trac bar... badabing...it's done...

MF Steve!
07-06-2007, 12:12 AM
My shits are more valueable than heims. Round tube bends too easy...look at any Rubicon Express kit that has been put through hell. The arms will look like an unloaded semi trailer...bent as fcuk! 2x2x1/4 square tube and Currie Johnny Joints, or Evolution Machine joints will be had for sure, if I do my own setup.

jeepxj3
07-06-2007, 12:24 AM
Steve, you will have enough kits to look at to engineer your own. Just ask

gearhead313
07-06-2007, 12:27 AM
My shits are more valueable than heims. Round tube bends too easy...look at any Rubicon Express kit that has been put through hell. The arms will look like an unloaded semi trailer...bent as fcuk! 2x2x1/4 square tube and Currie Johnny Joints, or Evolution Machine joints will be had for sure, if I do my own setup.


hm... well i ran the RE LA setup for a little over 3 years and was not easy on it. 5000lb rig bouncing off them and they were as straight as can be.

JJ are nice b/c they are road friendly, rebuildable etc... but i'd run heims.

Bill
07-06-2007, 12:36 AM
Steve, you will have enough kits to look at to engineer your own. Just ask


You just said wait until Vagas!

HA HA!

jeepxj3
07-06-2007, 12:47 AM
You just said wait until Vagas!

HA HA!

Im sure he plans to have it done by then. Vegas is still a ways away. Speaking of which we need to get airfares taken care of now, get them while they are cheap.

Bill
07-06-2007, 01:11 AM
Im sure he plans to have it done by then. Vegas is still a ways away. Speaking of which we need to get airfares taken care of now, get them while they are cheap.

I was looking tonight... We will have to talk this weekend sometime.

MF Steve!
07-08-2007, 03:10 PM
So the idea of tying an interior cage into something out back has been on my mind for a while. I'm definately keeping the bed intact, because i don't want a truggy. I'm going with something along these lines:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/Reznor/Truck/RearnoSpare-1.jpg

joshs1ofakindxj
07-08-2007, 04:41 PM
thats probably exactly what i would do for the same reasons. maybe somehow work it out so it ties into rock sliders and a front bumper.

MF Steve!
07-08-2007, 04:45 PM
thats probably exactly what i would do for the same reasons. maybe somehow work it out so it ties into rock sliders and a front bumper.

I'm going to do the 2x4 rocker replacement on the cab. That will give me substantial strength to tie the interior cage to. I have a little floor work to do, so it will be nice and easy to plate the uni-rail, and attach the kickers for the rocker replacement. I don't think I want a tubed rear bumper, probably something to match my design for the front. As for the front bumper...you'll have to wait for that one!

--

Also, I've been digging around Pirate for some good builds, and came across a sweet JeepSpeed XJ project. It's giving me tons of ideas, and also a badass 4-link calculator.

If you want a custom 4 link, here ya go: http://mysite.verizon.net/triaged/4linkcalcv15html/index.html

MF Steve!
07-08-2007, 04:48 PM
I also want to keep the tailgate too. I'm going to skin it over with a part of a 96+ rear hatch, so I have somewhere nice to put my license plate...you know the one that will read WIFEBTR

mudforblood
07-08-2007, 05:03 PM
There's a MJ near my work that has a soft top. The doors, A&B pillars are still there and it just replaces the rear window and most of the roof. It would look killer with a cage like that. I'll stop and take some pics of it for ya.

MF Steve!
07-08-2007, 05:05 PM
There's a MJ near my work that has a soft top. The doors, A&B pillars are still there and it just replaces the rear window and most of the roof. It would look killer with a cage like that. I'll stop and take some pics of it for ya.

Hmm...cool. Sounds pretty interesting, pending pictures, if I like it, would you be willing to talk to the guy to see if it's a production sorta thing or a one-off custom?

mudforblood
07-08-2007, 05:39 PM
Hmm...cool. Sounds pretty interesting, pending pictures, if I like it, would you be willing to talk to the guy to see if it's a production sorta thing or a one-off custom?

I'll try to find the owner. It is just a stock MJ besides the snow plow stuff up front and the top. I think it is one of the guys that work in the garage so I dont think it will be a problem to get more info on it. I never noticed the top until I got close to it one day when I was waiting. It blends in pretty good.

I'd bet its a custom made top that any good upholster could do. There is an upholster local that does some good work. They will do all kinds of crazy stuff.

avenged7foldhc
07-08-2007, 06:22 PM
I also want to keep the tailgate too. I'm going to skin it over with a part of a 96+ rear hatch, so I have somewhere nice to put my license plate...you know the one that will read WIFEBTR


i wanna get a license plate that says "ORLY" hahaha

Mykal
07-08-2007, 06:23 PM
I'll stop and take some pics of it for ya.


And leave a note with the website on it. Cause who better to anwser some questions about it...

MF Steve!
07-08-2007, 06:25 PM
i wanna get a license plate that says "ORLY" hahaha

http://imatt.us/mt/archives/orly.JPG

mudforblood
07-10-2007, 07:59 AM
I stopped at the garage and they said its a customers truck that isnt sure what to do with it. It has a oil leak that the owner hasnt said to fix it yet. The garage said it might possibly be for sale. I asked them to let me know what the owner says. I dont want it so you dont have to worry about me getting it first.:042:

I only had my phone for pics.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/mudforblood/img018.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/mudforblood/img016.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/mudforblood/img017.jpg

joshs1ofakindxj
07-11-2007, 01:31 AM
whoa, now thats a one-off!

OverkillZJ
07-11-2007, 02:27 AM
Jeff... If that ends up for sale, call me... you've got my number...

gonecheenin
07-11-2007, 10:07 AM
Jeff... If that ends up for sale, call me... you've got my number...

You NEEEEEEEEEED a street wheeler :114:

MF Steve!
07-11-2007, 10:43 AM
Hmm...dualing Comanche builds!

MF Steve!
08-09-2007, 08:46 PM
Alright, so unfortunately I have not made any progress on the actual build yet. I've been working as much as possible, and trying to spend as little as possible. So far, so good. I'm picking up a set of 5.5" RK springs this weekend, and also an XJ Dana 44.

I'm trying to hunt down an XJ Dana 30HP for the front, as you may see in the WTB section of the forum. I'll take a stock one for cheap, or put out some cash for something built up with a Warn hub conversion, and a locker.

Hopefully within the next week or so, the big huge garage a few of us are renting will become occupied, and I can start slicin and dicin on the MJ.

gonecheenin
08-10-2007, 08:13 AM
I'd run a halo of sorts around the roof, for protection from leaning into trees & such, from that rear tubing idea

That would come out pretty sweet, althought it would be the best if you'd support it in the front with A pillar bars down tothe frame as well

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 05:11 PM
I'd run a halo of sorts around the roof, for protection from leaning into trees & such, from that rear tubing idea

That would come out pretty sweet, althought it would be the best if you'd support it in the front with A pillar bars down tothe frame as well

No external tubing other than what will POSSIBLY be in the bed. I want nothing to do with a hideous exo-cage or anything that resembles one. Tube is the last thing on my mind right now...unless you're talking about the kind I'll be using to make my control arms in the next few weeks.

I also picked up a Dana 44 for the rear today. I'm going to have to dig around and find that write-up on putting disc brakes on it. Stock shafts for now, I'll be ordering up some 4:56 gears and of course a locker!

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 07:53 PM
No external tubing other than what will POSSIBLY be in the bed. I want nothing to do with a hideous exo-cage or anything that resembles one.

I said nothing about doing an Exo, I was simply suggesting sliders of sorts for the most vulnrable spots during offcambers/tree contact

Its your truck, but I will make the suggestion that a bit of tube to protect the body here & there would not look near as bad as bashed door tops & window pillars

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 07:59 PM
I said nothing about doing an Exo, I was simply suggesting sliders of sorts for the most vulnrable spots during offcambers/tree contact

Its your truck, but I will make the suggestion that a bit of tube to protect the body here & there would not look near as bad as bashed door tops & window pillars

Eh, halo, exo...same difference. If I did a ring of tube around the roof, I'd have to find some way to tie it to the interior cage. Keep in mind that I'll probably make this my D.D. and it's gotta be weather tight...so poking throught the roof to tie it in might be a bad idea. I'm picky, and a perfectionist with what I do...so some of the things I put into this build will seem a little over the top for most.

I don't wanna call this build a restoration/build of sorts...but that's kinda what it is. It's gonna be a brand new vehicle to me when it's finished, so I want it to look like one at the start. Scratches and dents are fine over time. My current truck, 2500HD 2WD will probably be used for nothing more than work, when needed and trailering the MJ on long distance trips once I finish the build.

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 08:11 PM
I'm picky, and a perfectionist with what I do...so some of the things I put into this build will seem a little over the top for most.

Nothing wrong with that, I'm not picky about apearence but I get anal retentive when it comes to mechanical modifications/repairs

I frequently catch flack from people over my over builds, over welds, over laborous way of doing things

But I like it when my junk holds together & gets it done, so as far as I'm concerned being picky is worth while :icon_super:

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 08:13 PM
Werd... :icon_jook:

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 08:13 PM
Eh, halo, exo...same difference. If I did a ring of tube around the roof, I'd have to find some way to tie it to the interior cage. Keep in mind that I'll probably make this my D.D. and it's gotta be weather tight...so poking throught the roof to tie it in might be a bad idea.

I had in mind tieing it into the rain gutters, a set of A pillar tubes, & etc, kinda Kevins Offroad ties his sliders into the vehicle pinch weld

The pinch weld is weak if you hit it in one area, but strong as hell once the load is distibuted acrossed the length of it

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 08:21 PM
I had in mind tieing it into the rain gutters, a set of A pillar tubes, & etc, kinda Kevins Offroad ties his sliders into the vehicle pinch weld

The pinch weld is weak if you hit it in one area, but strong as hell once the load is distibuted acrossed the length of it

I'll have to look at what you're talkin about. As for the rocker pinch weld, I know all about tying into that. I made some sliders that have been through hell, and I contribute a lot of their strength to that.

OverkillZJ
08-12-2007, 08:47 PM
I think I know what he's talkng about with the pinch weld, remember how those old ORGS sliders I had on the ZJ were welded about every 6" to the pinch weld and it distorted the pinch weld a bit in those spots? The tube on the outside of the sliders bent in 2" before the pinch weld even showed any stress. I think he's just talking about tying it in up top in a similar fashion

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 09:29 PM
I think I know what he's talkng about with the pinch weld, remember how those old ORGS sliders I had on the ZJ were welded about every 6" to the pinch weld and it distorted the pinch weld a bit in those spots? The tube on the outside of the sliders bent in 2" before the pinch weld even showed any stress. I think he's just talking about tying it in up top in a similar fashion


I got that part. When I said I was going to look...I was referring to the Kevin's Off-Road roof thing he was speaking of. He said it ties into the rain gutters on the roof. I hate the rain gutters...and I even thought about making them magically disappearing.

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 09:41 PM
I got that part. When I said I was going to look...I was referring to the Kevin's Off-Road roof thing he was speaking of. He said it ties into the rain gutters on the roof. I hate the rain gutters...and I even thought about making them magically disappearing.

You could design a thin strip of steel that would become tacked to the strong corner of the roof to replace the rain gutter attach ment


Either way I'm not trying to convince you to do something you don't want, just tossing around idears for the hell of it

(After all, it ain't my rig, don't really matter to me what you do long as theres yet another person out there gettin' it awn & helpin' us fight the non-wheelin' enemys :icon_pidu: )

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 09:46 PM
:115: So I should include that gun turret in my build then? I could make what Georgie would refer to as "The Truck of Terrur."


You could design a thin strip of steel that would become tacked to the strong corner of the roof to replace the rain gutter attach ment


Either way I'm not trying to convince you to do something you don't want, just tossing around idears for the hell of it

(After all, it ain't my rig, don't really matter to me what you do long as theres yet another person out there gettin' it awn & helpin' us fight the non-wheelin' enemys :icon_pidu: )

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 10:12 PM
:115: So I should include that gun turret in my build then?

Umm, you with a gun turret kinda scares me (and all women & children in PA) :073:

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 10:13 PM
Umm, you with a gun turret kinda scares me (and all women & children in PA) :073:
You don't even know me! Is that the scary part? Otherwise...you should know I'm pretty good with my arsenal.

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 10:15 PM
You don't even know me!

Yes I do, I met you at the meet & great in Cranberry

Plus Overkill has told stories :gear_cool2:

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 10:19 PM
Yes I do, I met you at the meet & great in Cranberry

Plus Overkill has told stories :gear_cool2:

Just because you've "met" me, does not mean you know me. F'n PGH Off-Topic...

OverkillZJ
08-12-2007, 10:30 PM
Last thing I say off-topic, promise, but let me say this... You two are both great at building rigs and would get along very well... probably why you're butting heads, but I imagine you'd both benefit if you didn't...


[/offtopic]

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 10:34 PM
Me no butt heads. Also, me not a butthead!

[/officiallyendingofftopic]

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 10:34 PM
Oh yea...and how come I can't find the Dana 44 disc brake conversion write-up on any forum I can think of...

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 10:36 PM
Just because you've "met" me, does not mean you know me. F'n PGH Off-Topic...


Does anyone really "know" anyone else

Sorry, Fruedian moment :003:

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Oh yea...and how come I can't find the Dana 44 disc brake conversion write-up on any forum I can think of...

Cause your not as awesome as I? :098:


http://www.stu-offroad.com/suspension/d44brake/bc-1.htm


And I just happen to have those retainer plates you'll need :035:

andrew2516
08-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Oh yea...and how come I can't find the Dana 44 disc brake conversion write-up on any forum I can think of...

try jeepforum.com under the cherokee section

OverkillZJ
08-12-2007, 10:40 PM
Oh yea...and how come I can't find the Dana 44 disc brake conversion write-up on any forum I can think of...

Hey now, you know I'm good for something! http://www.stu-offroad.com/suspension/d44brake/bc-1.htm

I don't know if he's updated it, but where he mentions the custom plates he had Blaine machine, the Rubicon 44 shaft retaining plates are one and the same.... It's good, what used to cost us a couple hundred to get custom pressed is now like $20 for both

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 10:47 PM
LOL, thanks. I'm assuming my best bet is to find ZJ caliper mounts in the ol' junkyard. As for the plates, if you wanna sell them Cheenin, PM me w/ what you want for them. I'm ready to start building this axle ASAP. The sooner I build it, the quicker my rear is sprung over.

As for the front, it's time to order up some 2 x 2 x 1/4 wall tube and some badass joints for the ends. I'm goin custom arms up front.

OverkillZJ
08-12-2007, 10:55 PM
If you need the rear calipers themselves (no pads) let me know, I've bought a rebuilt set from Napa before scrapping the original ZJ project / axle.

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 10:59 PM
If you need the rear calipers themselves (no pads) let me know, I've bought a rebuilt set from Napa before scrapping the original ZJ project / axle.

Definately...let me know what you want for them!

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 11:06 PM
As for the plates, if you wanna sell them Cheenin, PM me w/ what you want for them.

Yep I'll sell them, I got no use for em' (Just fine running rear drums on my junk)

MF Steve!
08-12-2007, 11:09 PM
Hell, at this rate...I'm gonna need my own Meet & Greet just to get all these parts from people!

gonecheenin
08-12-2007, 11:11 PM
Hell, at this rate...I'm gonna need my own Meet & Greet just to get all these parts from people!

I like flame grilled Cheeseburgers & Grandmas mustard potato salad :110:

trailblaze
08-13-2007, 12:40 PM
heres a write up for a d44 disc conversion

http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xj44part2.html

and another

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/D44_buildup/D44.htm

and another
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424332&highlight=dana+disc+brake

and another
http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=257819

one more
http://www.madxj.com/MADXJ/technical/technicalfiles/BAzjRearDiscsOnXJ/ZJrearDiscsOnXJ.htm

and there is a crown vic swap out there but i can't find the link!!


as you can tell i was looking into building that axle with a disc swap... but i have no $$$

MF Steve!
09-01-2007, 08:05 PM
The parts are starting to pile up...

Rubicon wheels
5.5" RK front springs
XJ D-44 rear (just getting re-assembled for the time being)

Ordered:

12 Johnny Joints for long arms and other "stuff"
BDS 1/4" plate 4-link XJ crossmember

Once I get the parts for the long arms, and get some square tube I should be able to whip them up in no time. And once the 44 is re-assembled for the time being, I can throw it on to get it sprung over...It should be getting big in a hurry!

Krod
09-01-2007, 09:13 PM
Steve are you setting up your own gears? I'm going to need some done in the YJ within the next few months, rather give you the business than some shop.

MF Steve!
09-01-2007, 09:28 PM
Steve are you setting up your own gears? I'm going to need some done in the YJ within the next few months, rather give you the business than some shop.

I'm not doing the gears right away, but yes. I'm doing them myself. I wanna wait 'til the lift is on so I can see exactly what size tires will fit. Then I'll decide on 4:56 or 4:88's.

Barillms
09-05-2007, 07:19 PM
My turd sandwich: 88 MJ longbed
I'm still working some of the litte bugs out,
but this thing is the best Jeep I've ever owned.

And bed bob Qs ask away!
I got the Comanche mods pretty dialed in.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e149/barillms/summer07040.jpg

andrew2516
09-05-2007, 08:56 PM
Thats a badass MJ...I'm guessing thats road legal in OH too:068:

MF Steve!
09-05-2007, 09:29 PM
Interesting...not exactly what I'm goin for, but cool none the less!

Barillms
09-05-2007, 10:57 PM
Thats a badass MJ...I'm guessing thats road legal in OH too:068:

Yea, I drive it on the road... but I'm not sure if it's legal.
I don't have side mirrors, but I carry some little stick on decoys in case.

Since this pic I've added a Logans Metals Winch bumper and a 9000lb T-Max Outback Series wireless,
and I'm in the process of adding a 105amp Alternator and a Yellow top, and another electric cooling fan.... my Taurus fan alone ain't cutting it!

I always forget other states have these "rule" things. Sux.

MF Steve!
11-05-2007, 04:59 PM
Well...I've finally started to make some progress. Now that the MJ has an indoor home, I can get going. Spent a few hours in the past two days removing things. Shitty pix, but it's a start.

Goodbye nasty front clip:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img001.jpg

Goodbye 2WD!
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img002.jpg

notmYJ
11-05-2007, 05:28 PM
This is gonna be interesting, to say the least. Gonna follow this.

MF Steve!
11-05-2007, 05:29 PM
This is gonna be interesting, to say the least. Gonna follow this.

Sarcasm, or serious? Never know when it's coming from you...

r6cyclegal
11-05-2007, 05:33 PM
Congrats on getting started!!!!

Xplodedin
11-05-2007, 05:59 PM
Looks like fun.

andrew2516
11-05-2007, 06:43 PM
What kind of front clip are you going to put on that?

MF Steve!
11-05-2007, 07:06 PM
97+ XJ. No bob or chop...I may raise the fender line on the new fenders for some extra room. I'm trying to stay w/ stock flares also...F that hard plastic shat.

andrew2516
11-05-2007, 07:10 PM
97+ XJ. No bob or chop...I may raise the fender line on the new fenders for some extra room. I'm trying to stay w/ stock flares also...F that hard plastic shat.

That should look bad ass:047:

I like the older style front clips before the 97+ but on MJ's the newer front clip looks bad ass because they never came on those.

joshs1ofakindxj
11-05-2007, 07:11 PM
My turd sandwich: 88 MJ longbed
I'm still working some of the litte bugs out,
but this thing is the best Jeep I've ever owned.

And bed bob Qs ask away!
I got the Comanche mods pretty dialed in.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e149/barillms/summer07040.jpg

hay im not the only one wheeling an XJ with no front fenders at all!

http://photos-342.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v151/239/123/755350342/n755350342_1614468_966.jpg

notmYJ
11-05-2007, 07:12 PM
Sarcasm, or serious? Never know when it's coming from you...

I'm serious. This should be on hell of a good build. Just figuring how you generally have a thing for excess, this should be an awesome build.

I guess I should start using /sarcasm tags...

MF Steve!
11-05-2007, 07:23 PM
That should look bad ass:047:

I like the older style front clips before the 97+ but on MJ's the newer front clip looks bad ass because they never came on those.

I'm goin all out...eventually to go w/ thre newer front end, you'll find a new dash inside stuffed w/ Auto Meter gauges for the Ford 5.0L. There are a few motors around right now...but I'm having a hard time justifying the $500 for a motor going in a vehicle that won't move until spring time at the least.

Dave, you hit the nail on the head w/ the "excess" thing...

As of now, I'm trying to take care of all the things that I can do for little or no money until December. I'm gonna take care of the 2x4 rocker replacement, the spring over rear, 96+ front clip, and some other various fabrication items. I'll surely be busy!

OverkillZJ
11-06-2007, 11:00 AM
Good to see you got started, now finish it so we can go wheeling! (like I'll ever finish the Sammy at this rate.)

Stryker
11-06-2007, 11:10 AM
I've been lookin' for s**t like this, all I found is an F-150 (1980's-era) for $500! Where do find this stuff?

MF Steve!
11-06-2007, 07:59 PM
Good to see you got started, now finish it so we can go wheeling! (like I'll ever finish the Sammy at this rate.)

I'm sure we'll end up helping each other out w/ stuff through this dualing build! Now that I'm right down the road...let me know if you need anything!

---

We find this junk on Craigslist. Actually...someone found my MJ for me, and sent me a PM. I'd return that favor to the person, if not someone else. What are you looking for...Maybe you should start yourself a WTB thread in the Marketplace Forum. You'd be surprised what comes out of the woodwork.

---

I like this look...I could re-name my junk "Black Box II." There's something about those chromed Rubicon wheels that gets me good! Just add flat black, and some custom red/white pinstripe and you have a badass "Rat-Jeep!"

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/crzyxj/ComanchePioneer003.jpg

MF Steve!
11-28-2007, 01:44 AM
A whole lot of suckage amongst other things has been goin on w/ the MJ project. Both axles are out, and I'm ditching the 2.5L asap. 4.0L is goin in...It will be quick and easy.

Heres a picture of some reverse progress:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img011-1.jpg

I bought an XJ 44 for the rear. Ever seen a pinion bearing that had SQUARE rollers in it? Yeah...it was the most fawked up thing I've seen yet. The race spun in the housing, got so hot that the cast iron transferred to the race, and now the housing is proooobably going to make its way to the scrap yard on my next run. I also took about a golfball sized gob of metal filings and chunks out w/ a magnet. Spare 44 drum shafts anyone?

XJchris98
11-28-2007, 01:51 AM
Steve, id start looking around for an 8.8


You could have the new perches welded up and the whole axle put in in less than a day. Not only is it stronger, but its already got disc brakes (not sure if you we're planning on converting the 44 over or not). Sorry about the bad news none-the-less.

limegreentj
11-28-2007, 01:57 AM
lol....that was mine at one time

MF Steve!
11-28-2007, 02:14 AM
lol....that was mine at one time

It is quite un-funny dude...I dropped a decent buck on that piece of shit! I probably won't make half my money back...

limegreentj
11-28-2007, 02:19 AM
your right it isnt funny

MF Steve!
11-28-2007, 02:19 AM
Steve, id start looking around for an 8.8


You could have the new perches welded up and the whole axle put in in less than a day. Not only is it stronger, but its already got disc brakes (not sure if you we're planning on converting the 44 over or not). Sorry about the bad news none-the-less.

It's a strong possibility, along with a few othe options. The best being a Toyota rear...gotta love them 3rd members! I even thought about doing a Toyota front, but I'm not sure if I wanna play around with birfields and passenger drop differentials.

XJchris98
11-28-2007, 02:23 AM
Not to familiar with yota axles, but I know the 8.8's have a strong aftermarket and can pretty much be found anywhere for pretty cheap.

If you decide to go with one and dont care if its a disc brake setup or not, I know of a place that has a good number of 8.8's and will sell them pretty cheap.

notmYJ
11-28-2007, 10:22 AM
Also I know a guy that has an 8.8, already cut teh brackets off and ground down, and sand blasted. He has two one is still assembled, the other is torn down, but complete. Plus he is local...

XJchris98
11-28-2007, 11:28 AM
Could you PM more info on this? Like price/where he's located/etc.?

Xplodedin
11-28-2007, 11:54 AM
A friend of mine has any rear you want. He'll ship to your front door too!

gonecheenin
11-28-2007, 12:43 PM
Keep in mind those Toy rears are WAY narrow

Psycho's chevy tracker body/chassis is a little wide for his toy axles



Spare 44 drum shafts anyone?

I would like to pick up some :D

jeepxj3
11-28-2007, 02:15 PM
I have a good PS, DS flange is fawked.

MF Steve!
11-28-2007, 02:22 PM
I have a good PS, DS flange is fawked.

Get your own thread pawn whore!

Cheenin...PM me w/ an offer.

jeepxj3
11-28-2007, 02:50 PM
Get your own thread pawn whore!

Cheenin...PM me w/ an offer.

:042: I have tons of parts. :031:

MF Steve!
11-28-2007, 04:44 PM
:042: I have tons of parts. :031:

Yes, yes you do. Some of which I shall steal! I'm goin to get your crossmember steel tomorrow. LOL...I'm taking my own damn thread OT.

jeepxj3
11-28-2007, 04:53 PM
Yes, yes you do. Some of which I shall steal! I'm goin to get your crossmember steel tomorrow. LOL...I'm taking my own damn thread OT.

eh it happens... Back To Topic! I told you I knew it was possible to fit the 4.0 in there, no doubt in my mind it will happen :nod:

MF Steve!
11-28-2007, 04:54 PM
eh it happens... Back To Topic! I told you I knew it was possible to fit the 4.0 in there, no doubt in my mind it will happen :nod:

Yes...it will happen.

2002wranglerX
11-30-2007, 10:20 PM
i'm not sure what front end you have (i know you were planning on running a 44 front) but you could look for a narrow 60 rear.

We're working on urbanek's trooper, he picked up a mid 60's Dana 60 that's really close to waggy stock width. He added 3/4 ton knuckles and hardware to his front waggy 44 to convert it to 8 lug.

if you have the 44 front, it might not be a bad deal. He picked up the 60 rear for like 250 bucks (i believe).

i'm just saying for 37's it might not be a bad idea. and it's cheap. you pay 250 for a nice 8.8, why not go 60.

Also, by converting to 3/4 ton, you get heavier brakes and beefier wheelbearings.

when i ran 37's, and my 38.5's, i went through wheel bearings like crazy. and ball joints.

just a suggestion since the D44 fell through.


also, (and i'm jsut curious) any reason for going 4.0 instead of smallblock or 4.3 or something like that? you have to fab mounts for the 4.0 anyway don't you? why not go V8?

stillersfan
11-30-2007, 11:28 PM
i think he wanted to keep the weight dwn but i could be wrong.... besides doin a v8 gas with the way its is now is gonna get to be a pain, trust me i watched my gauge go down goin up 28 its sux. and if he is gonna wheel it regularly stickn with smaller motor will be more pocket book friendly. i cant tend to many wheelin trips do to the fact i spend way to much just to get to the place then more in the woods, not to mention carry a gas can with me into the woods...i am new at this wheelin but if you gear it low enuff havin a small motor wont be as noticeable as if it where geared higher (more torque with a lower gearing).

MF Steve!
11-30-2007, 11:47 PM
It's either a 4.0 H.O, or a 5.0 Ford H.O. I don't want 60's, and I'm only running 35's now. 8.8 is a possibility, and so is a Yota. I also don't feel like paying for 8 bolt wheels. I'll have everything worked out in the next few weeks, I'll update when stuff gets done.

2002wranglerX
12-01-2007, 12:10 AM
i think he wanted to keep the weight dwn but i could be wrong.... besides doin a v8 gas with the way its is now is gonna get to be a pain, trust me i watched my gauge go down goin up 28 its sux. and if he is gonna wheel it regularly stickn with smaller motor will be more pocket book friendly. i cant tend to many wheelin trips do to the fact i spend way to much just to get to the place then more in the woods, not to mention carry a gas can with me into the woods...i am new at this wheelin but if you gear it low enuff havin a small motor wont be as noticeable as if it where geared higher (more torque with a lower gearing).

in a jeep, a 4.0 and a V8 get about the same gas mileage.


as far as a 5.0, that's a good option as well. i forgot you're a ford guy.

i was just wondering on the axles. . . .

13below0
12-01-2007, 01:57 AM
Rollin in my 5 point oh....

2002wranglerX
12-01-2007, 02:05 AM
Rollin in my 5 point oh....

rag top down so my hair can BLOW.






i can't say i've seen many 5.0's in jeeps. i know the old amc's had 304's . . . but i only know of one other (justin's) that has a ford 5.0 in a jeep.

bigrubbers4x4
12-01-2007, 02:17 AM
Anyways, I can't put a 4.0L in the MJ. It has a shit ass firewall that won't permit anything with a longer block. So, who knows anything about Cummins 4bt?

my neighbors MJ has a 4.0L in it.

here is his MJ.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/bigrubbers4x4/IMG_3592.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/bigrubbers4x4/IMG_3690.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/bigrubbers4x4/IMG_3747.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/bigrubbers4x4/101_1921.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/bigrubbers4x4/DSCF0001.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/bigrubbers4x4/100_0795.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/bigrubbers4x4/100_0794.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/bigrubbers4x4/100_0786.jpg

stillersfan
12-01-2007, 02:49 AM
nice lookin truck!!!! hey steve check out that blue it dont look bad on the truck at all, it is sorta like the color blue you want...

MF Steve!
12-01-2007, 09:22 AM
nice lookin truck!!!! hey steve check out that blue it dont look bad on the truck at all, it is sorta like the color blue you want...

Yep...blue goin on flat black. I'm over the paint thing for now. I just wanna get it wheelable.

WTF...why is he not a member over here 'rubbers? Thats a sexxay MJ. Can't say I've ever seen it in all of my lurking and searching.

I'm a Ford guy. Yet, I drive a 2500HD Chevy. I like the 5.0L over an SBC for a couple reasons. First being, I know it quite well, I also like that the distributor isn't buried against the firewall. There is also that obvious coolness factor, since you dont see Ford 5.0L motors in very many Jeeps.

Wrecker
12-01-2007, 11:17 AM
Now if that MJ isn'y enough motivation for you Steve.

jeepxj3
12-01-2007, 12:01 PM
I like the ZJ rear bumper support!

gonecheenin
12-01-2007, 12:09 PM
I'd 4.3 the thing myself (especialy since your changing the tranny anyway)

Simple, easy, cheap, & compact

Sure it be nothing awesome&original to show people, but make something else simpler like that if you want it

2002wranglerX
12-01-2007, 12:28 PM
I'd 4.3 the thing myself (especialy since your changing the tranny anyway)

Simple, easy, cheap, & compact

Sure it be nothing awesome&original to show people, but make something else simpler like that if you want it

i'm a chevy fan too, but steve is a ford guy. so my guess is if it isn't jeep it's gonna have to be ford.

MF Steve!
12-03-2007, 12:08 AM
Mmk...everyone needs to get used to the camera phone pictures, and the lack there of. I pulled the motor today, went rather smoothly. Within the next few weeks, I'm picking up part of an XJ, basically from the firewall forward, and plopping it next to the MJ in the garage. Should be a rather easy swap having both engine bays right in front of me.

Be gone with you, 2.5L! Have some more camera phone pix:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img029-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img030-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img031-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img032.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img033-1.jpg

Also, if anyone needs any 2.5L parts, let me know. The motor is 100% complete, runs well, 167,xxx miles. I'd get rid of it for $150, or offer me somethin good on trade. Has a brand new starter, and a few other new parts.

joshs1ofakindxj
12-03-2007, 12:29 AM
So I take it you found a way to fit the 4.0L in that engine bay? Sory I haven't been following the build religiously.

MF Steve!
12-03-2007, 12:34 AM
So I take it you found a way to fit the 4.0L in that engine bay? Sory I haven't been following the build religiously.

Yeah, I apparently have a late model '86, which has the firewall of the 87+. The core support, or portions of it do seem to be different, but I can surely drill out some spot welds and replace it. Hell, that will make the swap even easier without having it in the way. Regardless, if I have to, I'll make it fit. I have no problem with ditching the factory clutch fan/elec. fan setup for something that will fit better. I can also live without AC if necessary. All in all, I think it will drop right in with little of a fight.

Oh yeah, I also don't follow this thread religiously. I'd rather be getting shit done than posting pix!

joshs1ofakindxj
12-03-2007, 12:40 AM
if by the core support you mean the furthest front "frame" crossmember then if you have that out you might as well put something i that's beefier and integrates with your front bumper and some steering box reinforcement. you should have some angle brackets going onto that front crossmember anyway, ill try and find a picture of what im talking about.

joshs1ofakindxj
12-03-2007, 12:47 AM
you can the brackets i was talking about in this picture. they're marked PS and DS with yellow paint stick and are angle brackets that connect to the front crossmember and the farthust forward bolts that connect the front bumper mounts to the "frame ends" to add some strength to that front end junk.

http://photos-342.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v172/239/123/755350342/n755350342_1799774_3642.jpg

gonecheenin
12-03-2007, 12:57 AM
Mudforblood needs to slap that there TBI 2.5 into his YJ

Quick, easy, ready to go swap out right there & he's rollin :114:

bigrubbers4x4
12-03-2007, 01:43 AM
I like the ZJ rear bumper support!

he got pulled over in Windber for no rear bumper, and i had that laying out back after i built my ZJ rear bumper. its something so the cops leave him alone. we are gonna build a nice one, one of these days.

i will have to tell him to come over to this board or one of you can go to ours and invite him over. his name is "bear" on our forum. www.bigrubbers4x4.org

DMG
12-03-2007, 08:03 AM
Mudforblood needs to slap that there TBI 2.5 into his YJ

Quick, easy, ready to go swap out right there & he's rollin :114:

It seemed to run great, pm Steve.

MF Steve!
12-03-2007, 08:57 AM
Mudforblood needs to slap that there TBI 2.5 into his YJ

Quick, easy, ready to go swap out right there & he's rollin :114:

Come n get it! Runs strong, has a little oil funk on it, looks to be just a valve cover gasket.

Bear
12-04-2007, 02:50 PM
Hi Guys,
Doug alias Bear from Big Rubbers 4x4. That's my silver over blue MJ that Sam posted some picture of.
I bought it for 500 and have 1500 into it to install the lift kit, install the 4:56 cogs and lock rite in the rear., a lot of the goodies on it are from the rigs' sponsors: Mickey Thompson wheels, Rough Country 4" lift with pucks up front,bushwackers, warn winch bumper,milemarker winch w/remote, safari snorkel from Outten Co. Jeep in Hamburg,the 35" bfg mts' came from Tireshoppe.com, there's also a complete power tank set up, KC offroad lites, and xtreme hi-lift to go on it once I get the baja style roll bar done along with the rear bumper.
I've wheeled the sh-t out of it too, It has trail scars from the Badlands, Jellico, Rausch Creek, and Paragon, not to mention some from around home. the bottom photo was when it first came out of the paint shop and was in a parade in Reading,Pa. the week before I pulled it out in primer to cover the Tfor Truns at Paragon and RC, put on by the Blue Mt. club. Next yr it will get a new paint job, same scheme but gold misted over black, Steelers, baby. I'm doing an article for JRations next Sunday at Rock Run, maybe I'll see some of you there.



Bear

MF Steve!
12-04-2007, 03:02 PM
Hi Guys,
Doug alias Bear from Big Rubbers 4x4. That's my silver over blue MJ that Sam posted some picture of.
I bought it for 500 and have 1500 into it to install the lift kit, install the 4:56 cogs and lock rite in the rear., a lot of the goodies on it are from the rigs' sponsors: Mickey Thompson wheels, Rough Country 4" lift with pucks up front,bushwackers, warn winch bumper,milemarker winch w/remote, safari snorkel from Outten Co. Jeep in Hamburg,the 35" bfg mts' came from Tireshoppe.com, there's also a complete power tank set up, KC offroad lites, and xtreme hi-lift to go on it once I get the baja style roll bar done along with the rear bumper.
I've wheeled the sh-t out of it too, It has trail scars from the Badlands, Jellico, Rausch Creek, and Paragon, not to mention some from around home. the bottom photo was when it first came out of the paint shop and was in a parade in Reading,Pa. the week before I pulled it out in primer to cover the Tfor Truns at Paragon and RC, put on by the Blue Mt. club. Next yr it will get a new paint job, same scheme but gold misted over black, Steelers, baby. I'm doing an article for JRations next Sunday at Rock Run, maybe I'll see some of you there.



Bear

Welcome man! Hella nice rig BTW. Hopefully I find someone to ride bitch with next weekend. I would really like to poke around your MJ and check it out pretty good. I'll probably pick your brain about a few things here and there!

Bear
12-04-2007, 08:15 PM
more than happy to share what I know. I have the front clip and doors off of my 93' Cherokee that was totaled by a drunk while it sat parked, on it. The silver was the color of the truck and the blue is the color of my old Cherokee.I thought they looked good together. when I do re-paint it I'm not removing the body damage, just gonna mark a few of the spots with where it happened and the date,lol. like in the rear driver side, that happened at Raush Creek when I backed up a tree, that photo also made it into Low Range magazine. I also want to do a long arm up front and a 4 link in the rear with coil over shocks coming up thru the bed and mounted on the roll bar.

Bear

Bear
12-04-2007, 08:25 PM
I know it's a weak link, but I still run the 35 in the rear with 4:56 gears and a locker, been running it like that for 2 yrs no problem, I have the stock 4.0 with 160k on it. with the gearing and 35" tires, I mostly just put it in 4low and idle thru the trails.

Bear

gonecheenin
12-04-2007, 08:44 PM
I know it's a weak link, but I still run the 35 in the rear with 4:56 gears and a locker, been running it like that for 2 yrs no problem, I have the stock 4.0 with 160k on it. with the gearing and 35" tires, I mostly just put it in 4low and idle thru the trails.

Bear


:107:

Wow, makes me feel a HOLE lot better about my Grand's trussed & reinforced housing Super 35's longevity on 33's :nod:

Bear
12-04-2007, 08:58 PM
whats' up Cheenin, haven't talked to you since the Pa. Rally


Bear

gonecheenin
12-05-2007, 08:54 AM
whats' up Cheenin, haven't talked to you since the Pa. Rally


Bear


Sup, which one were you? (don't remember a Bear :smirk: )

bigrubbers4x4
12-05-2007, 11:22 AM
cheenin, bear was the one that set up the rally.

MF Steve!
12-15-2007, 09:14 PM
The MJ will now have everything I want it to. I bought a wrecked '99 XJ Sport to do all of the conversions. 4.0L, trans, t-case, HP30, all wiring/computer, new style doors/mirrors, 97+ dash conversion, seats, console, etc. Maybe I'll take some actual pictures in the next two weeks as I swap everything over!

Macabre
12-16-2007, 09:32 AM
Come n get it! Runs strong, has a little oil funk on it, looks to be just a valve cover gasket.

Don't know if you still have this, but someone on HRJA just posted looking for one.

MF Steve!
12-16-2007, 09:37 AM
Don't know if you still have this, but someone on HRJA just posted looking for one.

Yes, I stil have it. Thanks for the info!

MF Steve!
12-24-2007, 01:33 AM
Got a lot of stuff done today. Removed everything in the cab 100%, and prepped/painted the firewall for the '99 XJ dash/column. Pulled the complete wiring harness out. Loaded the empty engine bay with two cans of foamy engine brite, and washed it out. Painted the empty engine bay. Tomorrow starts the '99 drivetrain, wiring, and interior swap.

More crappy Q pictures for you:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img047.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img048.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img049.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img050.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img051.jpg

Krod
12-24-2007, 02:22 AM
badass progress man.


I hate you for how clean that thing is under the old faded paint.
Nice work so far man. If you need a hand next week, I'm back down your way M-F with nothing important to do in the evenings. Sick of working on mine, so lets get some chit done with yours! LOL

MF Steve!
12-24-2007, 12:22 PM
badass progress man.


I hate you for how clean that thing is under the old faded paint.
Nice work so far man. If you need a hand next week, I'm back down your way M-F with nothing important to do in the evenings. Sick of working on mine, so lets get some chit done with yours! LOL

There is some floor rust though. I'm not too concerned though, I'm gonna cut it out anyways to do 2x4 rocker replacement. I'm sure I'll be down here for countless hours every day this week. Hell I got about 4 hours of sleep last night and I was down here at 10 this mornng. You're welcoe to stop down whenever..just PM me for some directions.

OverkillZJ
12-24-2007, 12:25 PM
Lookin' good!