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danzay
04-12-2005, 11:30 AM
I have been hearing alot about the cops in the Pittsburg area hasseling you guys about tires sticking outside the fender. Is that generally a daytime thing or if i come in for a meet and greet should i expect trouble? my tires stick out maybe 3 or 4 inches past the fender. I havent had any trouble with the cops around here but im out in the country.

Dan

OverkillZJ
04-12-2005, 11:53 AM
3 or four INCHES! holy crap. I thought my 1" was pushing my luck (that sounds bad, eh?)

2002wranglerX
04-12-2005, 12:04 PM
you're fine. mine stick out 3" and i've never had a problem (knock on wood)

PK
04-12-2005, 01:16 PM
I'm out at least 1 to 1.5 inches, was never a problem for me.

*knock*
*knock*

LordAthens
04-12-2005, 01:30 PM
It depends on where exactly you are in Pittsburgh.. When I had my YJ, I was getting stopped in Bethel for tires out of the flares, and they were out 1.5-2". South Park, USC, Lebo, all fine.

Happycamper
04-12-2005, 01:51 PM
Mine stick out a probably 2" or so. I got pulled over by a St. Clair cop for bad registration and he said something about the wheels sticking out and I told him they were my off road tires and he let me go. I know he has seen me around as it's my daily driver and my wheels have been that way for over 2 years now. I've been lucky.

BUT, a freind of mine who kept his legal moved up to 35's b4 moving to North Carolina and went with the same size wheel and backspacing as me and got pulled over the day that he put them on. He told the cop he was moving and he let him go.

So what's the lesson here kid's. You could get pulled over at anytime with the wheels sticking out. If that cop sees you leaving a bar or somthing he could stop you for your wheels and then find that you have one too many in you. Could be years b4 it happens or today!

FWIW my dad is a cop and I asked him when I first got them if he would pull me over, he said only if I wanted to be a real dick or if he suspected illegal activity.

dp
04-12-2005, 08:21 PM
The way I see it -- don't give police a reason to pull you over. I've had many a cop follow me just waiting for a reason to pull me over, and they can never find one. Just yesterday, two cops kindly escorted me from about 2 miles away to my front door just waiting for a reason to pull me over. I just stopped at every stop sign for about 5 seconds and made sure I used my turn signal.

For a while, when I had my 33x12.5's on, I talked to a few cops in Upper St. Clair that were walking in my neighborhood, and the one commented on my Jeep and said it looked nice. The tires stuck out a good 2 inches before I got my warn 6" flares (which was that time).

It all really depends on what mood the cop is in. My girlfriend's friend's husband got pulled over for having his 12.5's stick out about 2 inches...the cop gave him a warning (this was in Bethel Park). So he ponied up the money and got some warn 6" trail flares. The cop then pulled him over because the flares extended more than 4.5 inches from the body line and gave him a ticket for that. In actuality, since the wrangler is equipped with flares from the factory, that counts as the bodyline -- and not the actual body so he could have gotten out of it because technically speaking, his 6" flares only extended his body by 1.5 inches which is well-within the legal limites. And no, Bill, I don't need you to tell me I'm wrong because I know I'm correct.

The cops can really pull you over for anything they think is a violation -- that's why there's court. It's the judges job to decide whether or not there is an actual violation -- it's the cop's job to give you a ticket when he thinks there may be a violation. Unfortunately, a lot of cops just don't know the law or are too ignorant to learn the law.

Anyway, in summary, don't mess around with it. Leave your jeep at home when you drive into Pittsburgh. I think technically, if the cop feels like being a jagoff and you get pissy with him, he can give you a ticket for around $118 per violation whereas you'd have 4 violations (one per tire) -- you do the math. Whether the judge would throw that out or not, I'm not sure...but I wouldn't risk it.

Wrecker
04-12-2005, 09:00 PM
State inspection rule states that the tread is not to go past the body line. It can fail inspection and be writen up by the man. Some cops just dont care and worry about real crime. The reason is that the tires can kick up and hit another car. Which they can then go after you for their windsheild. Also the one thing also overlookin alot is that mud flaps should be no more than 6 inches above road. I might be wrong on that measurement.

YJBeef
04-12-2005, 09:13 PM
Basically like deepea said....Don't drive like an ass and ya should be fine, I live in crafton and have had many cops behind me and it didn't bother enough to have em pul me over..........Hell, I had 4 robinson cop cars pull over for me and redneckyj and none of them said diddly about either of our Jeeps , just the usual "Nice jeep" and ya might wanna get that windshield fixed :lol: (which I finally did anyhow)

dp
04-12-2005, 09:18 PM
The actual law on mudflaps is a percentage. It depends on the distance from the tire to the rear bumper whether or not they need them -- To be exact, if the angle is greater than 22.5 degrees (measured from the road surface, passing in a straight line to the rear of the vehicle) it must be equipped with mud flaps -- but that only applies to trucks...and my jeep is considered a station wagon.

Happycamper
04-12-2005, 09:37 PM
The way I see it -- don't give police a reason to pull you over.

The police are gonna pull you over if they want to. You could be driving perfectly in any vehicle and they are going to have a reason to pull you over.......if they want to. And even if it does go to court it's your their word against yours. EDIT:you probably won't have to go to court anyway b/c he can't write you up for anything, unless your drunk or have illegal substances in your car.

Not trying to start a fight or anything, but it's a fact.

OverkillZJ
04-13-2005, 10:08 AM
Appearently my tires do stick out a coupla inches, oops

MF Steve!
04-13-2005, 03:53 PM
2" - 2 1/2" no problems in 3 years...winshield lights are a different story though. ive been hit for havin them uncovered like 5 or 6 times. no tickets though???

dp
04-13-2005, 05:56 PM
The way I see it -- don't give police a reason to pull you over.

The police are gonna pull you over if they want to. You could be driving perfectly in any vehicle and they are going to have a reason to pull you over.......if they want to. And even if it does go to court it's your their word against yours. EDIT:you probably won't have to go to court anyway b/c he can't write you up for anything, unless your drunk or have illegal substances in your car.

Not trying to start a fight or anything, but it's a fact.

You're wrong. The police cannot just pull you over because they feel like it. There has to be a reason. *HAS* to be a reason! The cops nearby pulled I believe plaxico burress over recently in his new f650 or whatever just because they wanted to -- and he sued -- and he won. There has to be some sort of suspicion or an obvious violation of the law. Otherwise, it's harrassment. And if the police are 'suspicious' of something enough to pull you over, they better damn well hope they find something because if they don't, it's on. I'm not trying to sound like a hard ass, but in all honesty, just because you have flashy blue and red lights, you don't run the town...there's strict rules cops have to follow...if they don't they're risking their job and their reputation.

Bill
04-13-2005, 06:00 PM
The police must have a reason to pull you over, this is true. How hard do you really think that is to come buy?

Did you forget to use your turn signal at that last turn?

Does your vehicle similar to one that an officer is looking at for a recent crime in the area?

Did the officer mistake you for a known actor who is a habitual offender of driving under a suspended license, or maybe you fit the desctription of a warrant suspect?

TRUST ME... Yes, there has to be a reason, but there are thousands of reasons.

JeepKTMGuy
04-13-2005, 08:10 PM
2" - 2 1/2" no problems in 3 years...winshield lights are a different story though. ive been hit for havin them uncovered like 5 or 6 times. no tickets though???

I dont have tires that stick out but I do have the windshield lights. KNOCK ON WOOD...I have never gotten pulled over for them. and I usually leave them uncovered. I thought that if you had lights they needed to be uncovered all the time to signal other drivers if needed. But i have been wrong before

RickBeer
04-13-2005, 11:23 PM
What is the requirements on bumper height ??
I was back in the Burg area last Turkey-day & did not see alot of lifted Jeeps nor trucks just visting for 4 days
What I was able to see was just the trailer trash rigs
I was supose to wheel with some dudes in Butler but it was raining & they got skeered kinda disapointed I was looking foward to wheel in woods again o well next time I might be back the week of May 3-9

http://community.webshots.com/album/117124306JLOSrp

Happycamper
04-14-2005, 07:54 AM
The way I see it -- don't give police a reason to pull you over.

The police are gonna pull you over if they want to. You could be driving perfectly in any vehicle and they are going to have a reason to pull you over.......if they want to. And even if it does go to court it's your their word against yours. EDIT:you probably won't have to go to court anyway b/c he can't write you up for anything, unless your drunk or have illegal substances in your car.

Not trying to start a fight or anything, but it's a fact.

You're wrong. The police cannot just pull you over because they feel like it. There has to be a reason. *HAS* to be a reason! The cops nearby pulled I believe plaxico burress over recently in his new f650 or whatever just because they wanted to -- and he sued -- and he won. There has to be some sort of suspicion or an obvious violation of the law. Otherwise, it's harrassment. And if the police are 'suspicious' of something enough to pull you over, they better damn well hope they find something because if they don't, it's on. I'm not trying to sound like a hard ass, but in all honesty, just because you have flashy blue and red lights, you don't run the town...there's strict rules cops have to follow...if they don't they're risking their job and their reputation.

Your right, there HAS to be a reason to pull you over. And the WILL find one if they want to stop you that bad. Take any reason that Bill gave above. They could say you made your turn a little wide, your car is similar to the description of one that was used in a crime etc.

Don't believe me if ya don't want to, it doesn't bother me. I'm only telling you what I know after having been raised by a police officer (Dad), knowing a LOT of them, and being taught by them in school where I am Criminal Justice Major. Belieive me, this is not the first time this arguement has been brought up.

dp
04-14-2005, 08:18 AM
Your right, there HAS to be a reason to pull you over. And the WILL find one if they want to stop you that bad. Take any reason that Bill gave above. They could say you made your turn a little wide, your car is similar to the description of one that was used in a crime etc.

Don't believe me if ya don't want to, it doesn't bother me. I'm only telling you what I know after having been raised by a police officer (Dad), knowing a LOT of them, and being taught by them in school where I am Criminal Justice Major. Belieive me, this is not the first time this arguement has been brought up.

It's not an arguement and I don't believe you in most circumstances. If a cop pulled me over that I had a known incident with or anything like that in the past and I had no violations, I'd be sure to press charges for harrassment.

Not to mention, cops with bad attitudes -- what if some guy's wife just left him, his mother just died a week ago, he just lost his job and he's going to just go somewhere for a week or to kill himself. Now Officer Fabulous pulls him over -- the poor guy just wants to get this over and done with so he cooperates and hands his license and registration and proof of insurance and he even goes along with the pushy officer and says the light was red even though it was really yellow (that cop must have just been looking for a reason to pull someone over). So the officer tries to get a reaction out of this obviously upset, depressed guy and he pushes a little harder (like cops 90% of the time do). Now the man is just fed up beyond belief and the guy pulls a gun from his hip points it up through the window and Officer Fabulous is now wearing 2 bullets in his bulletproof vest and one in his head just because he needed a reason to pull this law-abiding guy over because he felt like being a dick to someone to pump his ego for a while.

Now that story is far-fetched, and I'm probably politically wrong for making it up on so many levels it's not even funny...but that's one thing I think every cop should keep in the back of their head while they're out in action. Personally, I've had so many incidents with police where they are just bullying the shit out of me trying to get a reaction -- of course I never give them one because I'm not a moron. But what if that one time, they're pulling over that guy I talked about before. It's a screwed up world.

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Oh, and I'm not arguing that technically a cop can't 'make up a reason' to pull you over because they most certainly can...the fact of the matter is they have a lot to lose if they're pulling you over for something that isn't true.

Happycamper
04-14-2005, 08:39 AM
They do have a lot to lose, but proving the police were in the wrong and proving that their pulling you over had some sort of emotional effect on you is going to be REAL hard. Plex has the $$$ to drag this type of thing out in court. 99% of the people that do get stopped for 'a made up reason' and don't have anything to hide are not going to do anything about it. Why would you take the police to court if they let you go didn't give you a citation or harasssed you. You can say that by them pulling you over is harrasment but unless their total dicks to you, just the virtue of the fact that they pulled you over doesn't make it harassment.

And Bill would probably back me up on this on too. Most of the dick head cops out there are young, former jock, meat heads that just want to crack skulls. Their actually are decent cops out there, their the older ones that have experience. Unfortunatly they are getting harder to come by.

OverkillZJ
04-14-2005, 09:18 AM
Ya know Dave, you don't need to argue just to argue. There are occasionaly better things to do.

Bill
04-14-2005, 09:52 AM
Ya know Dave, you don't need to argue just to argue. There are occasionaly better things to do.

Amen.

dp
04-14-2005, 05:56 PM
Ya know Dave, you don't need to argue just to argue. There are occasionaly better things to do.

I'm not arguing to argue. You seem to have some little smart ass remark to throw in all the time.

Bill
04-14-2005, 05:59 PM
Ya know Dave, you don't need to argue just to argue. There are occasionaly better things to do.

I'm not arguing to argue. You seem to have some little smart ass remark to throw in all the time.

You both like to argue... :roll:

danzay
04-15-2005, 08:36 PM
just a simple little question and see what i got started...ty for the replies though

-Dan

OverkillZJ
04-15-2005, 08:39 PM
Ya know Dave, you don't need to argue just to argue. There are occasionaly better things to do.

I'm not arguing to argue. You seem to have some little smart ass remark to throw in all the time.

[demonstrate smartass remark]
See that's what we call "conversation" and no one else seems to take such offense to it.


:finga:

[/demonstrate smartass remark]

dp
04-15-2005, 09:25 PM
Who said I took offense to it?

YJBeef
04-19-2005, 07:54 PM
I still don't see anyting wrong there????...........Everytime I've been pulled over, I've always been nice to the cop and they were always nice back, so I don't get where the "cops will push you" thing from but maybe unless you were a smart ass with them then they would??? btw each time was for speeding and not once was it points on my license(just a fine or warning) just goes to show if you're nice and respectful, you'll get the same.

Happycamper
04-19-2005, 09:17 PM
Amen brother!!!!

Bill
04-19-2005, 10:05 PM
Amen brother!!!!

x2 8)