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DMG
03-23-2008, 10:28 PM
After beating the IFS for years with surprisingly little breakage, it is time to do a solid axle swap on the 4runner. A SAS will give me much more travel and stability as well as heavier-duty front end components.

I have been gathering parts for a while and have almost everything. What I have:

-85 solid axle
-All-pro high steer arms
-tube inserts to make arms with FJZ80 TREs
-F250 shock towers
-Some random shocks that will work
-Factory 4.88 3rd member
-EZ-locker for the front (rear will be welded)
-1st gen toyota rear springs (need another set still) These move the front axle forward 2 inches for more firewall clearance
-Some metal to make the hanger/shackles/etc

MF Steve and I are going to make as many of the parts as possible, such as the steering and the front spring hanger. It costs less and we will know it is done right.

DMG
03-23-2008, 10:34 PM
Today we stripped the housing and cleaned it. There was so much crap on it that it clogged our parts cleaner. Then we cut off some unneccesary brackets. We also filled in the steering stops on the axle tube as they can get bent in and allow you to turn past the safe angle of a birfield joint.

We also discovered we need more parts. Cebby is a Trail Gear dealer so I had him order me a knuckle rebuild kit with all the seals, wipers, gaskets, bearings etc.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/sas003.jpg

gonecheenin
03-23-2008, 10:35 PM
NOICE

that thing is already awesome, the SAS is gonna be sweet!

DMG
03-23-2008, 10:35 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/sas001.jpg

DMG
03-23-2008, 10:36 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/sas004.jpg

Bird_Flu
03-24-2008, 12:26 AM
MF Sweet man, can't wait to see the finished product.

92YJCBG
03-24-2008, 12:56 AM
thats gonna be sick! keep us updated!

OverkillZJ
03-24-2008, 11:07 AM
This will be sweet.

Muzikman
03-24-2008, 11:12 AM
<bevis>Fire...fire...</bevis>

bender031
03-24-2008, 02:36 PM
Sweet project! I have kept pretty quiet. I have an 88 4 Runner as well. stock, downey 2" rear springs and 245/75/16 tires.

No SAS plans for me, just keeping it road/trail worthy.Any of your IFS parts worth passing along? I don't think you were "stock" so i may be out of luck.

Is yours the white runner i've seen in some of the trail photos from ligonier?

Good Luck!

DMG
03-24-2008, 02:57 PM
Sweet project! I have kept pretty quiet. I have an 88 4 Runner as well. stock, downey 2" rear springs and 245/75/16 tires.

No SAS plans for me, just keeping it road/trail worthy.Any of your IFS parts worth passing along? I don't think you were "stock" so i may be out of luck.

Is yours the white runner i've seen in some of the trail photos from ligonier?

Good Luck!

It is the white 4runner from the Ligonier photos.

I kept the front basically stock with a Downey idler arm gusset and a homemade rear control arm mount brace, etc because most of the lift kits put excessive leverage against something. What kind of IFS stuff do you need? I have a friend that needs the ball joints and I need the hubs but you can have a bunch of the other stuff off of it.

bender031
03-24-2008, 03:15 PM
i've got a bad shock i need to address, i am new to the whole drive-way mechanic scene, but i picked up the runner last spring to learn. I plan to tear into the front end and replace the shocks, so i may see more, but i know both my cv boots are torn to heck, and my swaybar end link is gone (literally rusted away).

-Adam

OverkillZJ
03-24-2008, 03:15 PM
That's how you learn!

bender031
03-24-2008, 03:44 PM
Yeah I am learning it can get expensive!

- Didnt mean to thread-jack,

SO DMG - you going to stick with the 35s?

You going to match the height of the rear or address the back once you see where the front ends up?

DMG
03-24-2008, 05:04 PM
I am going to put together spring packs that give me a couple of inches of uptravel, the bare minimum to clear steering parts, and see how close the rear is to that.

I will keep the 35s until they wear out and then maybe 37s, if not too crazy expensive.

Cebby
03-24-2008, 10:34 PM
...and I need the hubs...

You know the IFS hubs won't fit the SA, right? :icon_winkle:

MF Steve!
03-24-2008, 10:59 PM
You know the IFS hubs won't fit the SA, right? :icon_winkle:

I believe we're using the IFS rotors, hubs, etc., to compensate for the lacking track width up front.

DMG
03-24-2008, 11:06 PM
You know the IFS hubs won't fit the SA, right? :icon_winkle:

Not the lockouts, just the actual wheel bearing/hub assembly. They make up for the difference in track width.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630618

DMG
03-24-2008, 11:08 PM
I believe we're using the IFS rotors, hubs, etc., to compensate for the lacking track width up front.

Exactly

OverkillZJ
03-24-2008, 11:13 PM
I'm new to the yota thing, so is it that they'll work, but increase the tract width? Or did I read that wrong alltogether?

DMG
03-24-2008, 11:17 PM
I'm new to the yota thing, so is it that they'll work, but increase the tract width? Or did I read that wrong alltogether?

The wheel mounting flange is further out on the IFS wheel hubs to increase track width to match the wider 86-95 rear axle. The IFS wheel hub can go on the solid axle spindle because Toyota likes to make everything fit everything.

Cebby
03-25-2008, 01:58 AM
Not the lockouts, just the actual wheel bearing/hub assembly. They make up for the difference in track width.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630618

Ah, OK. I thought you were talking about the lockouts. I thought there was another bolt together option where you could mount the calipers in the stock position (worked like the Sky kit, but all Toy parts somehow)

DMG
03-25-2008, 07:37 PM
Ah, OK. I thought you were talking about the lockouts. I thought there was another bolt together option where you could mount the calipers in the stock position (worked like the Sky kit, but all Toy parts somehow)

I think the hub gear is the only difference between SA and IFS lockouts.

I am looking at ways to make a spacer to leave the caliper in the stock position but I have not come up with anything that isn't too costly.

Cebby
03-25-2008, 08:28 PM
I think the hub gear is the only difference between SA and IFS lockouts.


I think you are right. I have both here (somewhere) - I'll take a look.

DMG
03-31-2008, 08:51 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/toy_knuckle25.jpg

DMG
03-31-2008, 09:21 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/knuckle-kit-600.jpg

DMG
03-31-2008, 09:25 PM
The trail Gear stuff is here, I am going to put the axle together after work tomorrow. This weekend Steve and I will cut off the IFS, weld the brackets on, and build the steering links.

jackb1
03-31-2008, 10:33 PM
What are you using for steering links?

DMG
03-31-2008, 10:52 PM
What are you using for steering links?

I am using Moog FJZ80 Landcruiser tie rod ends. I have tube inserts to make them.

Bird_Flu
03-31-2008, 11:02 PM
I can't wait to see this build out, seriously. If Matt and I are working on the Sammi this weekend we'll probably stop by to check it out while it's in progress.

MF Steve!
03-31-2008, 11:28 PM
I still can't believe that whole knuckle rebuild kit, including wipers, etc, was cheaper than the cost of two knuckle roller bearings by like $5. You can't go wrong!

Cebby
04-01-2008, 04:38 PM
Glad everything arrived. I don't know how they keep their parts so reasonably priced - most of their stuff is that way...

DMG
04-03-2008, 07:29 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown042.jpg

DMG
04-03-2008, 07:30 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown041.jpg

DMG
04-03-2008, 07:31 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown039.jpg

DMG
04-03-2008, 07:32 PM
The IFS is off and the frame is cleaned up. Time to build the hangers, springpacks, and steering.

Bird_Flu
04-03-2008, 08:16 PM
Nice work guys!!!

90LiftedYJ
04-03-2008, 08:36 PM
looking really good guys. keep up the good work cant wait to see it done.

jackb1
04-04-2008, 08:41 AM
That causes plasma envy!

MF Steve!
04-04-2008, 11:42 AM
I can't remember what its like to not have plasma anymore. Goin to weld up a front crossmember/spring hanger now!

OverkillZJ
04-04-2008, 11:44 AM
Coming along quickly as always, I love that it's kind of a "dualing rig build" and DMG owns both!

mxg342
04-04-2008, 11:49 AM
I can't remember what its like to not have plasma anymore.


Definately one of the best tools in my garage. I wish I would have ponied up for the next size though.

MF Steve!
04-13-2008, 11:08 PM
Did you upload yet?

:worthless:

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:23 PM
Did you upload yet?

Yes, I did.

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:25 PM
The new spring hanger.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown064.jpg

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:28 PM
Making a front springpack from two sets of rear springs. And apparently I am going bald. Crap.




http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown055.jpg

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:31 PM
The hanger after Steve welded it on.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown075.jpg

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:33 PM
Making the shackles out of 2 inch by 1/2 inch steel. We are using 3/4 inch harware on everything with crimplock nuts.http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown069.jpg

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:34 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown080.jpg

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:37 PM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown066.jpg

notmYJ
04-13-2008, 11:37 PM
looking good.... time is ticking away..... Cant wait to see this thing on the trail.

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:40 PM
The springs hung.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/punishershakedown082-1.jpg

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:45 PM
I put the brakes together and it is a strange setup.

85 knuckles/spindles
88 hubs with the 85 lockouts attatched
88 calipers mounted outside the ears on the knuckles. Calipers required a lot of grinding
98 Tacoma rotors.

I really have mixed feelings about the mixing/matching/grindind/outboarding/etc of brake parts. I am going to look for a better solution but this currently gives me the big 4 piston V6 IFS calipers, the better tacoma rotors, and a wider stance.

The IFS hub dial works on solid axle hubs, btw.

DMG
04-13-2008, 11:47 PM
looking good.... time is ticking away..... Cant wait to see this thing on the trail.

I have most of the steering stuff now, all I have to do is buy some tube from Matt for the steering, roughly 80 inches.

notmYJ
04-14-2008, 12:08 AM
Sweet, you guys definatly chugging along with this one.....

Peccavi18
04-14-2008, 12:20 AM
Looking awesome, can't believe how fast you guys are moving.

hijack- What happened to the new shop move?

Cebby
04-14-2008, 12:43 AM
The IFS hub dial works on solid axle hubs, btw.

Did you just change the hub gears?

notmYJ
04-14-2008, 01:07 AM
Looking awesome, can't believe how fast you guys are moving.

hijack- What happened to the new shop move?

Shop? what shop? Its like the bermuda triangle. Its there... Or is it....

MF Steve!
04-14-2008, 01:14 AM
Shop? what shop? Its like the bermuda triangle. Its there... Or is it....

Exactly. Bermuda Fab. Inc. We are the little yellow triangle in Pgh OffRoad's logo.

Peccavi18
04-14-2008, 01:53 AM
So which one will see more seat time punisher or this?

jeepxj3
04-14-2008, 08:21 AM
Sick Dave!

DMG
04-14-2008, 09:11 AM
Did you just change the hub gears?

No, I got lazy and replaced the hub dial/outer/spring/etc with ifs stuff. I will try the hub gear to be sure but I am pretty sure it will work.

DMG
04-14-2008, 09:21 AM
Looking awesome, can't believe how fast you guys are moving.

hijack- What happened to the new shop move?

The mortgage companies have all told me I have to get a commercial mortgage on the place after approving me, locking in a rate, etc.
It is a house with a big shop and it is in a residential neighborhood, zoned for residential. It has never been used commercially.
I am not going to put the extra money down or pay the higher rate of a commercial loan simply because the bank thinks someday I might try to get it rezoned. The bank told me to find another house.:092:
We are trying other companies now but obviously, this has delayed the closing. I am not a big fan of Chase mortgage or Wells Fargo right now, btw.

Back on topic...

DMG
04-14-2008, 09:32 AM
So which one will see more seat time punisher or this?

The 4runner is going to stay street legal so it will get driven more. I may try to register the Punisher as a street rod but boggers suck on the road. And they are just scary on snowy/wet roads.

Bird_Flu
04-14-2008, 09:33 AM
Dave that is looking AWESOME! Good job on making the spring packs btw. As far as the mortgage companies go they suck. Good luck trying to find a place.

4x4runner
04-14-2008, 10:25 AM
That looks awesome, that hanger is nicer than most the shit you can buy and those shackles are BEEFY.

DMG
04-14-2008, 05:45 PM
I cut up the rest of the IFS. Some parts are gone but the rest is up for grabs if anyone wants it.

Unfortunately Ballistic Fab sent me a tube insert that looks like the threads were cut by an intoxicated monkey with a can-opener. Five minutes on the phone and they are sending me a new one at no cost to me. It is slowing me down some but at least they take care of their customers.

OverkillZJ
04-14-2008, 06:19 PM
intoxicated monkey with a can-opener.

:081:

gonecheenin
04-14-2008, 10:11 PM
That 4 runner just keeps getting sweeter :thumbsup:

DMG
04-14-2008, 10:22 PM
That 4 runner just keeps getting sweeter :thumbsup:

Thanks, Steve and I are trying to do it right!

DMG
04-14-2008, 10:25 PM
As I posted above, I called Ballistic today about their bad tube insert. This was in my inbox when I came home:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
JEFF BULLOCK of BALLISTIC FABRICATION sent DAVID GIBBS of DAVID
GIBBS 1 FedEx Home Delivery package(s).

This shipment is scheduled to be sent on 04/14/2008.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I am impressed that they got it shipped out today, I will not hesitate to buy from Ballistic again!

MF Steve!
04-14-2008, 10:26 PM
As I posted above, I called Ballistic today about their bad tube insert. This was in my inbox when I came home:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
JEFF BULLOCK of BALLISTIC FABRICATION sent DAVID GIBBS of DAVID
GIBBS 1 FedEx Home Delivery package(s).

This shipment is scheduled to be sent on 04/14/2008.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I am impressed that they got it shipped out today, I will not hesitate to buy from Ballistic again!

Impressive. Looks like I'll be buying some goods from them next week!

DMG
04-14-2008, 10:43 PM
Impressive. Looks like I'll be buying some goods from them next week!

For the Comanche? Are we building front links soon?

MF Steve!
04-14-2008, 10:46 PM
I sure as hell hope so! I'm gonna have to get some more 1/4" plate for link mounts since your 4Runner ate it all up!

OverkillZJ
04-14-2008, 10:46 PM
Exactly. Bermuda Fab. Inc. We are the little yellow triangle in Pgh OffRoad's logo.

LMFAO!

From the sounds of the usual red tape, I'd love to tell the bank where to shove it.

DMG
04-14-2008, 10:51 PM
I sure as hell hope so! I'm gonna have to get some more 1/4" plate for link mounts since your 4Runner ate it all up!

It is hungry lately. Can we use the 3x3 for link mounts? Some of that would be perfect.

I may start on a bumper tomorrow if I get bored.

jeepxj3
04-18-2008, 10:15 PM
dave i thought u posted more pics?

DMG
04-30-2008, 10:45 PM
Update: Because the axle is moved forward, the steering box has to move forward and tilt down at the back. A 90-95 2wd w/ps pitman arm is the right length but does not have enough drop to clear the frame. The TRE stud/nut hit.

So I need to move the PS box.

MF Steve!
04-30-2008, 10:47 PM
Update: Because the axle is moved forward, the steering box has to move forward and tilt down at the back. A 90-95 2wd w/ps pitman arm is the right length but does not have enough drop to clear the frame. The TRE stud/nut hit.

So I need to move the PS box.

SHITTY. Why couldn't we see that ahead of time???

avenged7foldhc
04-30-2008, 10:53 PM
SHITTY. Why couldn't we see that ahead of time???



:icon_jook::icon_pidu: ?


haha

DMG
05-01-2008, 06:52 AM
SHITTY. Why couldn't we see that ahead of time???

I don't know, but I know the cause: we are trying to keep the lift height low and push the axle forward for firewall clearance. After moving the box 2 or 3 inches forward and changing the angle so the sector shaft is vertical we will be able to go all the way forward.

MF Steve!
05-01-2008, 07:46 AM
Good. I think that will definitely help to bring the front down a little more. I'm going to 4wd Saturday, so if they have your shims, I'll pick them up while I'm there, and you have the junk apart again.

jackb1
05-01-2008, 08:44 AM
Update: Because the axle is moved forward, the steering box has to move forward and tilt down at the back. A 90-95 2wd w/ps pitman arm is the right length but does not have enough drop to clear the frame. The TRE stud/nut hit.

So I need to move the PS box.

Not sure if this would help on a toyota, but I had a scout power steering box on the original-incarnation of the Samurai. It has a forward facing pitman arm (then again for all I know, tacomas already do too). I liked it because it kept the box tucked back.

MF Steve!
05-04-2008, 10:53 PM
Lots of update pics:

Extended lower steering shaft:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img152-1.jpg

Frame reinforcement plate for the steering box relocation:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img155.jpg

Frame being prepped and sleeved for steering box relocation:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img154-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img156-1.jpg

Box installed in new location with 2wd power steering pitman arm:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img158-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img159-1.jpg

Hi-Steer bolted on, and Shocks installed:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img160-1.jpg

Sitting back on the ground, hoping the front end settles down a lot:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img161-1.jpg

Bill
05-04-2008, 11:06 PM
Nice.


It looks good. How much do you really think it needs to settle in the front?

MF Steve!
05-04-2008, 11:16 PM
Nice.


It looks good. How much do you really think it needs to settle in the front?

Looks to be about 1 1/2" - 2" higher up front. Keep in mind, it has never been driven since the spring packs were assembled, and the suspension has never really been cycled at this point. It should come down a good bit after some time.

EddyB
05-04-2008, 11:26 PM
looks good. Boners settled down. We have a template for a front bumper if you're interested.

oldschoolyotaguy
05-07-2008, 04:29 PM
lookjs good man.... few ?'s

why'd you relocate to the steering box?? did you make the hanger that moved the leaves THAT far forward(for firewall clearance)?? I've done 2 (second gen and a 3rd gen) so far and neither required a box move, just curious...

and ya just makin a square shaft, cuz if ya are, i got a spare square front shaft layin at the house....

Ed, the 2nd gen bracket and the 3rd gen's are completely different in the way they mount, 2nd gens on the front of the crossmember and the 3rd gen's are on the sides of the body mounts

MF Steve!
05-07-2008, 04:34 PM
lookjs good man.... few ?'s

why'd you relocate to the steering box?? did you make the hanger that moved the leaves THAT far forward(for firewall clearance)?? I've done 2 (second gen and a 3rd gen) so far and neither required a box move, just curious...

We had to move it forward because the drag link, and the tie rod were damn near touching each other as it sat at ride height. Any suspension movement would probably cause them to rub as they passed eachother by. This is also needed due to the offset pin in the spring pack. The axle is moved forward, thus the steering also needs to be moved forward.

Not only is the box moved forward, but it's clocked flat. It needed to be clocked flat because of the flat 2wd pitman arm, which is almost a completely flat arm (no drop.) With the box at the factory angle, the end of the pitman arm would hit the frame rail when the steering was turned to the left.

DMG
05-07-2008, 06:06 PM
lookjs good man.... few ?'s

why'd you relocate to the steering box?? did you make the hanger that moved the leaves THAT far forward(for firewall clearance)?? I've done 2 (second gen and a 3rd gen) so far and neither required a box move, just curious...

and ya just makin a square shaft, cuz if ya are, i got a spare square front shaft layin at the house....

Ed, the 2nd gen bracket and the 3rd gen's are completely different in the way they mount, 2nd gens on the front of the crossmember and the 3rd gen's are on the sides of the body mounts

We used rear springs in the front which pushes the front axle a couple of inches forward. I want it to be low so the moving the axle forward helps with tire clearance and helps keep the axle out of the oilpan.

I have been looking at driveshaft options and considered a square. You have a PM.

notmYJ
05-07-2008, 09:52 PM
I might need to stop down to the PGH triangle and check this out... and use that welder for the bumper mounts. lol.

Honestly that thing looks good! Cant wait to see this thing in action!!!

OverkillZJ
05-07-2008, 10:37 PM
It's rather impressive in person.

MF Steve!
05-07-2008, 11:17 PM
I might need to stop down to the PGH triangle and check this out... and use that welder for the bumper mounts. lol.

Honestly that thing looks good! Cant wait to see this thing in action!!!

Sure, I'll weld your bumper mounts on. You might have to bring beer this time! :flipoff2: Call me, I'll be around all weekend.

DMG
05-07-2008, 11:24 PM
It's rather impressive in person.

It is currently a bit too tall. 2 inch body lift + 2 inch fender trimming + 4 inches from the SAS with the axle pushed forward makes 35s look tiny. I need a set of 37s or 38s.

I am considering removing the body lift but that will mean changing the gas tank, rear bumper, rear shock mounts, and a bunch of other stuff.

boneman
05-10-2008, 08:05 PM
mine seemed way too high in the front until i drove it awhile it settled@ 2" the 3.0 does well with 37s and 5.29 gears but i think yours are 4.88s per our discussion . both projects look great .

DMG
05-11-2008, 12:46 AM
mine seemed way too high in the front until i drove it awhile it settled@ 2" the 3.0 does well with 37s and 5.29 gears but i think yours are 4.88s per our discussion . both projects look great .

Cool, I hope mine settles too. With a 2 un b.l. and the fenders cut 2 inches it looks huge. I need 37s or 38s, possibly.

OverkillZJ
05-11-2008, 12:47 AM
Let me drive it a little. It will settle. It just might not be drivable afterwards :overkill:

92YJCBG
05-11-2008, 12:51 AM
wow, amazing work. looks great.

did you home brew that body lift?

DMG
05-11-2008, 09:02 AM
wow, amazing work. looks great.

did you home brew that body lift?

Cebby and I made that a few years back from a stick of round 2.5 inch diameter UHMW poly, the same stuff those white cutting boards are made of. I used 1 size bigger stainless hardware, nylock bolts, and really like how it turned out. It lets me raise the entire drivetrain and the gas tank 2 inches, which I finally got started on recently.

DMG
05-11-2008, 09:05 AM
Let me drive it a little. It will settle. It just might not be drivable afterwards :overkill:

LOL, just play with it in your back yard for a while.

Nothingface5384
05-24-2008, 10:28 PM
You know the IFS hubs won't fit the SA, right? :icon_winkle:
you can make them work, offroad fabrication or allpro does it
dont beleive marlin does, as they supply 1.5 spacers for their kits

DMG
05-25-2008, 02:06 PM
you can make them work, offroad fabrication or allpro does it
dont beleive marlin does, as they supply 1.5 spacers for their kits


I think he meant the lockouts and he is correct that they don't work. The only difference is the hub gear, mine are a mix of IFS and SA with the SA hub gears.

The hubs themselves take some work to make everthing line up correctly.

Cebby
05-26-2008, 05:52 PM
you can make them work, offroad fabrication or allpro does it
dont beleive marlin does, as they supply 1.5 spacers for their kits


I think he meant the lockouts and he is correct that they don't work. The only difference is the hub gear, mine are a mix of IFS and SA with the SA hub gears.

The hubs themselves take some work to make everthing line up correctly.

Yep, I meant the lockouts. I ran into this with the hub gear in the past.

Nothingface5384
05-26-2008, 08:51 PM
cebby, hows the lexus 4runner? bet it's pretty bad ass

oldschoolyotaguy
05-26-2008, 10:45 PM
dave, hows the square shaft comin along??

you swap the guts n get it together yet??

where were ya this weekend?? haha missed one hell of a partayyy

DMG
05-26-2008, 11:13 PM
dave, hows the square shaft comin along??

you swap the guts n get it together yet??

where were ya this weekend?? haha missed one hell of a partayyy


Yep, I put my CV and flange on it and we put it in a press to dimple the outer piece of tube so it has no slop in it and it is on the truck.

I decided to stay home and finish the 4runner while I have some free time. Of course then I decided to do a couple of additional mods on it so it is not technically finished yet.
(if it will ever be)

oldschoolyotaguy
05-26-2008, 11:24 PM
Yep, I put my CV and flange on it and we put it in a press to dimple the outer piece of tube so it has no slop in it and it is on the truck.

I decided to stay home and finish the 4runner while I have some free time. Of course then I decided to do a couple of additional mods on it so it is not technically finished yet.
(if it will ever be)

good deal, how much did you end up grinding out of the cv center?? or did you??

DMG
05-26-2008, 11:42 PM
I used a CV off a 3rd gen 4runner gets a pretty good angle so I didn't grind it. If it binds I will grind it or get one off a 85 or older.

oldschoolyotaguy
05-28-2008, 12:27 AM
good deal....... like i told ya,i traded shane square shafts for length reasons, and mine used the cv from my 87, and his never bound or limited the droop/tuck on his and he's usin marlin 5"-ers

but for my next build, its gonna be all links, so the cv's are gonna be clearenced....like craaaazy

MF Steve!
06-07-2008, 06:57 PM
Got the 4Runner on the road and trail today! We ended up taking one of the longer leaves out of the spring packs, and it brought the front ride height down to near perfect. Flexes out really well, and seems to behave fairly well on the road with no tweaking yet. Could use a sway bar for some on-road control, and some bump stops up front.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img197.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/steveschiavon/img196.jpg

Bird_Flu
06-07-2008, 09:13 PM
Looks awesome guys! That thing does flex out pretty well.

gonecheenin
06-08-2008, 12:47 AM
Lookin' sweet :023:

DMG
06-09-2008, 12:02 AM
Thanks guys!

We took it out and hit a local trail the day those pics were taken and it went great. It has more body roll on the road and the different steering rate will take some getting used to but it is not bad. I am going to get some better shocks and bumpstops on it as well as probably a sway bar.

I am also probably going to put the EZlocker in the front and weld the rear as soon as I get the longfields.

This is about the lowest Toyota SAS I have ever seen. It is only 2 inches taller than it was with IFS. I didn't even have to put degree shims on it. Hopefully it will have enough uptravel to ride well.

jeepxj3
06-09-2008, 12:12 AM
hey now your 4runner flexes!!!!!!

DMG
06-09-2008, 12:23 AM
hey now your 4runner flexes!!!!!!

Yes and it will flex even better once the poly bushings break in some. Which reminds me, I owe Jackb1 some bushings!

Where did you get the Bilstein 5150s? I am getting either those or 5125s.

Cebby
06-09-2008, 01:18 AM
I can get either 5150's (12 or 14's) or 5125's (10,12, or 14's) for you :D

DMG
06-09-2008, 10:46 PM
I can get either 5150's (12 or 14's) or 5125's (10,12, or 14's) for you :D

How much for the 12 or 14 inch 5125s?

DMG
06-11-2008, 11:25 PM
After driving it more it looks like I may have to angle the steering box up some more to keep the drag link from hitting the the spring. And the EZ locker sucks. It is really annoying when it locks and unlocks going down the road. I think it needs to go up front soon.

oldschoolyotaguy
06-25-2008, 09:11 AM
After driving it more it looks like I may have to angle the steering box up some more to keep the drag link from hitting the the spring. And the EZ locker sucks. It is really annoying when it locks and unlocks going down the road. I think it needs to go up front soon.

haha the lunchbox loxkers arent bad, detroits where the sketch is, if im on it hard enough when it pre-loads, it'll move the truck a couple feet

but anywho, looks good man!! im missin my old truck now....

DMG
06-25-2008, 09:22 AM
haha the lunchbox loxkers arent bad, detroits where the sketch is, if im on it hard enough when it pre-loads, it'll move the truck a couple feet

but anywho, looks good man!! im missin my old truck now....

Throw an Elocker in the rear and get some 33x10.50s on your current truck. It will go great on the trail and the road.

This EZlocker will unload going uphill in 3rd gear at 3,000 rpm and really shake the truck. It can't be good for any of my drivetrain. I think I am going to weld up the back until I find another cheap Elocker.

oldschoolyotaguy
06-25-2008, 09:26 AM
Throw an Elocker in the rear and get some 33x10.50s on your current truck. It will go great on the trail and the road.

This EZlocker will unload going uphill in 3rd gear at 3,000 rpm and really shake the truck. It can't be good for any of my drivetrain. I think I am going to weld up the back until I find another cheap Elocker.


i put my detroit-izzle in the back...kind of annoying....but thats the price ya pay....

e-locker, ya, my roommate's taco got taken in for the recall, i was gonna swap his e-locker out for an old 4cyl 3rd i had layin around before he took it in, but he grenaded the trans, about 100 yards from the dealer...sooo, i got screwed on that deal.....

DMG
07-02-2008, 09:45 PM
I left the top steering box mount in place and rotated the box until the pitman arm/tie rod end barely clears the frame. So far so good! Up next, bumpstops and 5125s.

gonecheenin
07-03-2008, 04:52 AM
I left the top steering box mount in place and rotated the box until the pitman arm/tie rod end barely clears the frame. So far so good! Up next, bumpstops and 5125s.


Fine tuning is the worst part

I'm STILL working the kinks outta the ZJ :s-bluecap:

DMG
07-03-2008, 08:51 AM
Fine tuning is the worst part

I'm STILL working the kinks outta the ZJ :s-bluecap:
Seriously, I will probably never be done making small changes. I am contemplating removing the body lift and wishing for a cheap 3.4L for it.

It looks like the ZJ works, based on the pics.

gonecheenin
07-03-2008, 07:15 PM
It looks like the ZJ works, based on the pics.

It does work, pretty well too IMHO


But it rubs the inner fenders so bad they cut the tires, it makes ignorant sounds as the springs compress too far & rub the bump stop cups, it doesn't steer right on the road, and doesn't hit the bumpstops right in the rear

Overall its coming along well, but still LOTS of fine tuning :100: :036:

oldschoolyotaguy
08-13-2008, 06:58 PM
Seriously, I will probably never be done making small changes. I am contemplating removing the body lift and wishing for a cheap 3.4L for it.

It looks like the ZJ works, based on the pics.


f that....3.4s are wayyy too exspensive...1uz-fe ftw, plentiful, makes a ton of torque for its size,n you can keep it toyota

btw, you have any extra GOOD 3.slow injectors or whole distributors layin around?? cuz i go back to school n my 2 n 4 injectors dont seem to wanna work very well....and its a PITA to start when cold...ive checked every wiring-side troubleshoot that alldata says to do, n nowi read in a manual, that low compression cold be the fault.. im gonna check it tomorrow...

if this 3.0 is a pita still by next summer, 4.0 lexus v8 swap here i come haha

DMG
08-13-2008, 07:11 PM
f that....3.4s are wayyy too exspensive...1uz-fe ftw, plentiful, makes a ton of torque for its size,n you can keep it toyota

btw, you have any extra GOOD 3.slow injectors or whole distributors layin around?? cuz i go back to school n my 2 n 4 injectors dont seem to wanna work very well....and its a PITA to start when cold...ive checked every wiring-side troubleshoot that alldata says to do, n nowi read in a manual, that low compression cold be the fault.. im gonna check it tomorrow...

if this 3.0 is a pita still by next summer, 4.0 lexus v8 swap here i come haha

I have a distributor, I will check on the injectors. How is your cold-start injector? Coolant temp sensor?

I would love to do the 1UZ but the only bellhousing available for a manual trans has to be ordered from Australia and is expensive.

oldschoolyotaguy
08-13-2008, 07:27 PM
I have a distributor, I will check on the injectors. How is your cold-start injector? Coolant temp sensor?

I would love to do the 1UZ but the only bellhousing available for a manual trans has to be ordered from Australia and is expensive.


well, after i piss with it tomorrow, ill check n see....it threw a 14 n 41 code, igniter n tps....n after tests, their both fine...shit......but i never thought of the coolant temp sensor....

it almost seems like an injector is drippin after it sits for a while....never did it once all winter, just when im home for the summer.... ill do some other test in the morning....

sorry bout the thread jack

DMG
08-13-2008, 07:35 PM
well, after i piss with it tomorrow, ill check n see....it threw a 14 n 41 code, igniter n tps....n after tests, their both fine...shit......but i never thought of the coolant temp sensor....

it almost seems like an injector is drippin after it sits for a while....never did it once all winter, just when im home for the summer.... ill do some other test in the morning....

sorry bout the thread jack

Don't worry about the hijack. The igniter can be intermittent or throw a code because something in the secondary ignition (wires, etc) is bad.

When was the last tune-up?

oldschoolyotaguy
08-13-2008, 07:39 PM
brand new wires, cap, rotor....the motors brand new, i just built it around new years when i got the truck....thats why its boggling my mind that all brand new shit fuct up....i dunno, im goin to watch school buses smash into each other the fair

crestwood36
08-14-2008, 05:32 PM
Wow, that's awesome to see a SAS project in the area. Hope to see it on the trail some day.

I have a feeling I will look to get a 40 before going for a SAS on the FJ.

DMG
01-10-2009, 03:14 PM
I need to make some taller shackles to raise the back a bit.http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/toyotas002.jpg

96greenxjjeep
01-10-2009, 04:17 PM
lookin good

EddyB
01-10-2009, 04:27 PM
What no pics to prove the General actually moves and sees mud from time to time?

Nothingface5384
01-10-2009, 05:03 PM
fck pics, how about a video DMG lol
and thanks again for the v6 3rd!

DMG
01-11-2009, 10:16 PM
What no pics to prove the General actually moves and sees mud from time to time?
Here ya go:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/toyotas001.jpg


fck pics, how about a video DMG lol
and thanks again for the v6 3rd!

No problem, How is your Yota project going?

Nothingface5384
01-12-2009, 12:26 AM
at a standstill, just like my 72 skylark, i shall be picking up a topshift transfer case off a boardmemeber here whenever he gets it pulled, other then that...just saving/waiting for income return haha..
so i may just try and figure out why the 22re is hard starting and fix the high idle and no brakes issue and drive it like that till i have everything for the sas and 4.3 conversion.

but back on topic, where did you and ed go wheeling at?
wellsville?

DMG
01-13-2009, 08:20 PM
at a standstill, just like my 72 skylark, i shall be picking up a topshift transfer case off a boardmemeber here whenever he gets it pulled, other then that...just saving/waiting for income return haha..
so i may just try and figure out why the 22re is hard starting and fix the high idle and no brakes issue and drive it like that till i have everything for the sas and 4.3 conversion.

but back on topic, where did you and ed go wheeling at?
wellsville?

There is a rule against giving locations of wheeling spots in the public forums here. PM me and I will tell you or let you know the next time we are headed out there and you can come along.

Nothingface5384
03-02-2009, 11:38 PM
if youre still curious, i just got an AA rad and 700r4 adapter, some longs, aussie locker...still waiting on a bunch of parts from marlin and it shall be off to shanes shop once we discuss what labor is going to cost..

DMG
03-03-2009, 12:07 AM
if youre still curious, i just got an AA rad and 700r4 adapter, some longs, aussie locker...still waiting on a bunch of parts from marlin and it shall be off to shanes shop once we discuss what labor is going to cost..

Cool. When you yank that 22re out, let me know what you want for it.

Which Longs did you get?

DMG
04-09-2009, 09:57 PM
On 36 inch Iroks

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/DMHG_bucket/4runneronjeep.jpg

Deadman 94 xj
04-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Bad ass!!!

DMG
04-09-2009, 11:05 PM
Thanks, Tom I can't wait to try them out!

Deadman 94 xj
04-09-2009, 11:20 PM
For sure Dave. I can't wait to see it in person. The travel on that thing is sick. Did you ever bother to pop Steve's dent out of the door? :biggrin:

Nothingface5384
04-10-2009, 03:39 PM
Cool. When you yank that 22re out, let me know what you want for it.

Which Longs did you get?

Sorry about the late response!

Ah, whatever you want for it, I may need some misc. things for the 4.3 like the new oil sending unit
Oh, and I got the new version of the 30 spline longs.

Engine has no actual miles on it, just running time.

Engine was from oregon engines...has the highlift cam and oversized valves was something like 1760 shipped to the terminal and core was 150.

Sounds like it has a vacuum leak perhaps from the intake gasket
so sometimes it cranks a few bit before it starts but it idles high.

New distributor, has a gm alternator on it etc.

DMG
04-11-2009, 09:18 AM
For sure Dave. I can't wait to see it in person. The travel on that thing is sick. Did you ever bother to pop Steve's dent out of the door? :biggrin:

Yep, I pulled the door panel off and hit it a couple of times. You can barely tell it was there. I need to build sliders to protect the sheet metal.

DMG
04-11-2009, 09:20 AM
sorry about the late responce!

ah, whatever you want for it, i may need some misc things for the 4.3 like the new oil sending unit
oh, and i got the new version of the 30 spline longs

engine has no actual miles on it, just running time

engine was from oregon engines...has the highlift cam and oversized valves was something like 1760 shipped to the terminal and core was 150

sounds like it has a vacumme leak perhaps from the intake gasket
so sometimes it cranks a few bit before it starts but it idles high.

new distributor, has a gm alternator on it etc


Which year/version of the 4.3 do you have?

Nothingface5384
04-11-2009, 06:33 PM
its supposivly came out of a 93 with a 700r4

its TBI

DMG
11-05-2009, 01:02 PM
Update Since last post I added:

14 inch travel Bilstien 5150s all around. The rear hoop goes through the bed
36 inch iroks on old school Centerline wheels
30 spline Longfields with cryo'd hub gears
I remover the body lift and raised the suspension to make up for it
fiberglass Hanneman front fenders

Pics to come.

Wrecker
11-05-2009, 01:29 PM
I still dont think it would climb that hill at the park.

BigDukeSix
11-05-2009, 03:10 PM
It is even more impressive in person. Bad-f**kin-ass.

JeepGeneral
11-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Bring it to Rock Run for the T4T ride!

DMG
11-05-2009, 06:47 PM
Bring it to Rock Run for the T4T ride!

That is december, right? I would love to make that, hopefully my tow rig will be together in time. That is a long haul on Iroks with a welded rear.

ridgerunner97
11-05-2009, 07:05 PM
Love your runner dave, you change anything around since labor day when we were up the creek with shane and them?

BigDukeSix
11-05-2009, 08:16 PM
Did I just say somewthing nice about someone? I must have the swine flu.

Fourx4sr4me
11-07-2009, 10:15 PM
We need to get together some time and go wheelin!!! Maybe the T4T run??? If you head out somewhere shoot me a pm.

DMG
11-07-2009, 11:04 PM
We need to get together some time and go wheelin!!! Maybe the T4T run??? If you head out somewhere shoot me a pm.

I am going to try to make the T4T run.

oldschoolyotaguy
11-08-2009, 06:04 PM
picturesssssssss, asap....... i got my sliders underway, 2x5x3/16, and 2x2x1/4 to run to the rails, wayyyyy overkill, but i figure i can always end up cuttin em off to use as framerails under the zuk haha.....went to rausch yesterday for the rcrocs race series, check out my facerape for some vids, took about 19 of em, with my cell phone haha