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Peccavi18
06-10-2008, 01:41 AM
With all my questions and posts lately I'm sure most of you know I'm "upgrading" the Jeep. It's an 02 Tj that just rolled 80k miles, I daily drive it, and don't mind beating it hard when I take it offroad.
I consider myself to be more of a techinal driver but i'm not afraid to slam the skinny pedal if that's what it takes. Due to the skinny pedal and some parts that just have proven they aren't up to snuff, I'm busting out the sawzall and we'll see where it leads. Alot of research has gone into this, but by no means does that mean I have a clue in hell as to what I am really doing. I hope to keep it close to "legalish" so I can keep driving it on the road but...:icon_madu:

As it sits now.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone024.jpg
It currently sports
Dana 44 (out of 2002 sport) lockrite, 4.56 gears
Dana 30 4.56
RE Long arm kit
Rk 5.5?" springs
Skyjacker 8" lift Shocks
Nth Degree shock movers
ZJ tie rod conversion
AGR steering box
Full Soft doors
Half Doors (I bought them and have yet to run them)
Soft top
4wdhw Spare tire carrier
B&M short shifter
NV3550 out of 04 rubicon
231 AA SYE
Beat ass ricer seats
RJS 2" harnesses
PSC Trailcage
Warn M8000
Warn winchplate
35x12.5x15 Procomp AT's on rockcrawler rims
Taurus fan conversion with 200 amp selonoid
Custom intake
Broken exhaust with glasspack
ORF rocker guards
4wd Corners
LED taillights.

So over the last few months I've been enquiring and aquiring alot of parts for this build up.

I started with some new recovery gear.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone058.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone057.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone062.jpg

Figured I could use it all for when the current jeep setup shits out on me on the trail anyways.

Then I happened into a really good deal. A guy saw I posted up about a set of hummer rims on Pirate pm'd me and says he has a set of aluminums with 3 miles on them that never left the dealership. I call him and he asks what else am I looking for, I jokingly (yeah I wasn't even serious) say a late 80's D60 he says "I got one". Rims and axle $950 and he ment in State college from Philly area on Easter day...score!!
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The day after easter I stripped the 60 I must say that was the easiest part I have EVER worked on, I had everything off in like 2 hours, using a HF grinder and hand tools. The beef of this thing compared to my P.O.S. d30 is awesome

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Since it was a spur of the moment purschase and i had nothing else to go with it I set it to the side and have been researching waiting for deals.

Peccavi18
06-10-2008, 01:58 AM
I was researching on pirate and came across KirbyIV's build and loved the length and stance of his jeep
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/1796133188_7457ec54bc_b.jpg

Just so happened that he was redoing some of his stuff and his rear stretch tank was going up for sale. So a few Pm's and a money order later.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/100_0114.jpg

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I started looking at rear D60's but for the $$$ to upgrade and narrow a 14B would easily sufice. John00tj off the board here had one So I ran down and somehow?? not quite sure still how but we got that pig up inside the Jeep for me to haul home. Thanks John

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Peccavi18
06-10-2008, 02:49 AM
I have no room here in Pittsburgh to work on any of this since i live in a second story apt, above a bar with no garage. Here is my "shop" that I do any small stuff I can out of.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone052.jpg

from the other end
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone051.jpg

So it all ends up at my parents waiting for 3 day weekends

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This allows me lots of time to read and draw up ideas in my head. I was able to pick up some stock xj coils from Steve.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone054.jpg

with a triangulated 4 link rear stretch about 6 inches approx, and the bend of the frame that far back they should give me about 2.5-3 inches of lift, which will keep me a very low center of gravity and with a homebrew highline/rev111 influenced flares allow me plenty of room to get new bigger shoes in there. Should they be 2 short I located a v8 set of zj coils which should net about 4 inches as a back up. I'm really thinking with gas prices being what they are I will do 37" KM2's for the street and 39" Iroks, SX's, or Pitbull Rockers for offroad.
I currently only have about 4" of uptravel in the rear and it rarely bottoms out onroad, offroad I think I could use another inch. But it will really vary with new shocks and the xj or zj springs. My downtravel is limited only by my shocks.I like the ride of the Bilstein 5150's but have also been looking into adjustables. I will be raising the shock tower to fit taller shocks in and have really been considering FOA airbumps for both front and rear.

avenged7foldhc
06-10-2008, 06:23 AM
sweet!...

that 14b is really getting around isnt it?

john00TJ
06-10-2008, 07:58 AM
looks good Ryan , if ya need anything LMK ..


its a different 14B ,i used the one i got from you .this was a spare from a whole truck i got .

MF Steve!
06-10-2008, 08:05 AM
Schweet. I'll also offer my services however I possibly can. This is pretty much what I want my next build to be, so count me in! It can be practice for mine! LOL!

Peccavi18
06-10-2008, 11:07 AM
I have a bunch more pics and stuff to load but some how I killed my router?? So hopefully it will work by the time I get back. I'm on the way to put in 3 days on it, updates on Fri

92YJCBG
06-10-2008, 01:34 PM
yeah same here i dont know much but i can give ya a hand the best i can man.


btw im stealing the oval leds set up you got there lol

willysrule
06-10-2008, 06:06 PM
sweet....I have a set of tires for sale that would look good under that...:unibrow:

gonecheenin
06-10-2008, 08:27 PM
I can't believe you actually put a freaking one ton axle into a TJ??????????????????????????????????????? :075:

MURPH
06-10-2008, 09:30 PM
r u going coilovers and full hydro up front?

Peccavi18
06-11-2008, 02:07 AM
sweet....I have a set of tires for sale that would look good under that...:unibrow:

If they fit a 17 inch rim I may be interested. I'm keeping the stock front Ford knuckles rotors and calipers for now, which run a bit bigger than the chevy stuff and it looks like a 17 will be the smallest i can run till I can afford to swap it all over to the chevy stuff.


I can't believe you actually put a freaking one ton axle into a TJ??????????????????????????????????????? :075:
It was all about timing, My parents were comming down with the truck the next day, but John already had plans. So I had to pick it up it, so they could haul it home for me, that next day. The Jeep rode and braked fine with it in there but it did want to move around abit. Loading it in was the hard part, being as it was laying on the ground and we had to heave it up into a lifted jeep. :icon_hang:


r u going coilovers and full hydro up front?

Plans for the front currently consist of narrowing the 60, running high steer arms possibly running the tie rod behind the axle(we'll see how space works out for that one), flat clocking the steering box and pushing it forward 3 inches with hydro assist, 14" FOA coiloovers and bumpstops.


So today I stopped at Tractor Supply and guess what was on sale...the Hobart Handler 187 for $599.99. So I spent part of the day trying to get it wired into my parents laundry room (with enough cord to pull out the window and work in the yard) for now since the box in the garage is full. I also ripped out the old gas tank in preperation for the BTF tank to go in. Talk about a bitch job, it was about half full (not really heavy but friggin awkard. I ended up having to cold chisel every bolt off, the sender ring refused to turn. and the vent hose already had the end cut off so it's short??? it will need replaced.

dan58
06-11-2008, 07:46 AM
Don't narrow the axle! No no no! That's foolish. With the H2 backspacing of 5.5", you will be almost as narrow as a TJ with 3.5" BS. Some wider flares, and you're set. You really don't want to mess around with custom length shafts.
Stick with the Ford outers. I have Chevy stuff, and it's a tight fit for 17s. Those old trucks all came with 16 or 16.5 wheels. The only weak spot on the Fords are the actual knuckle. They break. Go for a set of Deadenbear (now Reid Racing) knuckles and be done. You would break the bank to swap everything over to Chevy.

Start looking for a set of 5.38s as well. You don't want to skimp on gearing with big tires.

2002wranglerX
06-11-2008, 08:41 AM
Don't narrow the axle! No no no! That's foolish. With the H2 backspacing of 5.5", you will be almost as narrow as a TJ with 3.5" BS. Some wider flares, and you're set. You really don't want to mess around with custom length shafts.
Stick with the Ford outers. I have Chevy stuff, and it's a tight fit for 17s. Those old trucks all came with 16 or 16.5 wheels. The only weak spot on the Fords are the actual knuckle. They break. Go for a set of Deadenbear (now Reid Racing) knuckles and be done. You would break the bank to swap everything over to Chevy.

Start looking for a set of 5.38s as well. You don't want to skimp on gearing with big tires.

i agree with Dan on this one. With the willys, i was always afraid of breaking an axle. Just because i knew they were custom cut and splined.

meatloaf
06-11-2008, 08:55 AM
lookin good. i'm gonna have to come by some weekend and help ya out.

by the way, my pos is almost done! prolly early july i'll have it on the road.

-Kyle

john00TJ
06-11-2008, 05:29 PM
i just cut my rear like this today ..its kind of crazy taking a cutoff wheel to perfectly good sheet metal ..LOL...you`ll have to check it out this weekend

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Peccavi18
06-14-2008, 11:48 PM
Well a few updates, this thing is living up to it's name. I got nothing accomplished that I really wanted to. Shit at home was really busy and that detracted from the work time. As did searching for parts that were broken or ended up broken or unusable.
Tally was
2 rusted/broken off retaining straps on the stock tank taht I found when I lowered it.
1 replaced vent hose that was cut short previsiously
1 new flexable fuel line, old one was to short
7 new bolts holding cover old ones had to be cut off
1 modified BTF skid that didn't want to make room for short fuel line.
And 1 new fuel sending unit it looks like... some how while sitting in a box on the shelf out of reach the output tube got bent and it now has a hair line crack at the base

On the positive I think I actually lost weight if that is possible with this new tank? Even thought it weighed 70 some odd lbs, the old skid was FULL of mud inside, making it just as heavy.
Also it's showing about 7.5 inches that I can move the rear axle back. Pretty stoked about that, it easily gives me the room to slide the 14b with the thick ass Ruffstuff cover back about 5.5"-6" which is what I was looking for.

I got to play with the new welder for abit and WOW is this an upgrade from my shitty 70amp campfield hausell(sp) stick welder that I had taught myself on. Also my new auto darkening helmets (HF) are damn good for the price, I have only used the fixed shade ones to compare against but I was highly satisified with being able to see b4 and during the weld.
I grabbed some rusty scraps that I had cut off and burnt them together without a problem then layed into them with a vise and sledge they held real well I'm sure if I had prepped them it would have been better but I was having fun playing.
I have to get a cart though and since right now I'm welding in the yard at the opposite end from the garage. I'm thinking one of those big expanded metal wagons would be the best bet, just gotta figure out how to fix a tank on at a later point.

Peccavi18
06-14-2008, 11:53 PM
Also I guess I never explained why I "named" it fawked. Well long story short I fawked myself and this build a few days b4 I started this thread I was paying bills online, watching tv, and who knows what else. Well somewhere in there I put an extra zero at the end of the amount I was paying towards my student loans so instead of $190... Yeah you get the picture. I'm pissed at myself for not paying attention but it's *probably* where I should be putting the money anyways. So there might be a delay in my build while I try and rebuild my bank account.

joshs1ofakindxj
06-15-2008, 10:41 AM
Haha oh man that is rough, but at least the build looks to be going good so far.

DMG
06-15-2008, 10:58 AM
Wow, that must have been fun getting the 14b into the TJ.

I want that fuel tank!

john00TJ
06-15-2008, 11:41 AM
Wow, that must have been fun getting the 14b into the TJ.

I want that fuel tank!


It was great ,:flipoff2:

Peccavi18
06-15-2008, 05:30 PM
I picked up a few "toys" to add to the build. nothing I really needed but...:santa:
To replace my beat ass ricer seats, Corbeau's from Northridge4x4
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/015.jpg

Gonna make it slide so others can drive (Summit had them at my door 16hrs after I ordered)
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/037.jpg

Got some angle and cut and drilled it for the sliders
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http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/038.jpg

got a hardtop for the winter Thanks John
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/003.jpg

The small crack that was in it
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Starting the fiberglass work
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/035.jpg

Peccavi18
06-15-2008, 05:49 PM
Decieded to add some electrical stuff b4 I add to the cage or Herculine so I know where it all fits.
Marine grade switches
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone063.jpg
Became this hidden in the Tuffy box.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/029.jpg

Cb up and out of the weather
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/022.jpg

And adding some rock lights underneath to make working at night alittle easier
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Cellphone056.jpg

Peccavi18
06-15-2008, 05:58 PM
Wow, that must have been fun getting the 14b into the TJ.

I want that fuel tank!

The stock fuel tank is forsale mud and all :069: j/k. The new one is bad ass I will love it once I get it mounted again for the 4th or 5th time. (A body lift or having those speed nuts that look like star washers would make mounting hella easy compared to what it is now) Just waiting to see if JB weld will work on the crack on the fuel pump or if I have to order a new one.

And John thanks again for helping me load that fat pig of a 14b!! I started to shave it but ended up hanging out and never got to finish working on it. Having a garage down here would make this so much easier.

Peccavi18
06-15-2008, 06:22 PM
When I get the Jeep back down here, someone have a Swr meter and willing to dial in my cb? I got the Firestick II antenna with the tunable tip if that helps.

john00TJ
06-15-2008, 06:53 PM
And John thanks again for helping me load that fat pig of a 14b!! I started to shave it but ended up heading to see my mom and never got to finish working on it. Having a garage down here would make this so much easier.

you shaving it like i did, or just trimming the bottom off ??

13below0
06-15-2008, 08:16 PM
Looks like this is going to be a cool build. I just got my junk inspected in PA. I havent even measured it since its moved, but its approx. 109" 39.5 Iroks w/ about 4" of lift. So it sounds like its close to what you want to do. Its stretched 6" in the rear and probably 6-8" in the front.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/13below0/misc-13.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/13below0/misc-8.jpg
Oh and leaf springs are the new coilovers for all those that dont know. :flipoff2:

MF Steve!
06-15-2008, 08:43 PM
The stock fuel tank is forsale mud and all :069: j/k. The new one is bad ass I will love it once I get it mounted again for the 4th or 5th time. (A body lift or having those speed nuts that look like star washers would make mounting hella easy compared to what it is now) Just waiting to see if JB weld will work on the crack on the fuel pump or if I have to order a new one.

And John thanks again for helping me load that fat pig of a 14b!! I started to shave it but ended up heading to see my mom and never got to finish working on it. Having a garage down here would make this so much easier.


JB Weld isn't going to hold. The plastic on fuel system parts is polypropyline...which doesn't bond with much of the adhesive out there. I've tried super glue with primer activator, JB Weld, and many other things. I'd hit up car-part.com and find one. They're not too bad, since they are the same in a ZJ, XJ, and TJ (04 or older.)

Peccavi18
06-15-2008, 11:03 PM
you shaving it like i did, or just trimming the bottom off ??

I didn't get any pix but to start I am cutting the lip around the lower bolt so I will still have them all. But my plan is to shave it like you did, the extra clearence will prob help for my 37/39's



Oh and leaf springs are the new coilovers for all those that dont know. :flipoff2:

I saw on NEC that you were lengenthing it out. Weren't you having problems with your front radius links? or what was the reason to go leafs? And have you had it out yet? Any problems high centering being that low and long? I love the look of it, I wish mine was even close to that far along. I considered leafs for the rear but knew I wanted coilovers up front, Being that it will still see alot of street time, and I want the preformance offroad. Then I happened to see the xj or zj spring swap worked well for the rear and it seemed like a no brainer, we'll see though. I hope to be in the 102" ish wb range but again I have alot to work out up front, trying to stay with the tj stock steering box. Looks like you went with the astro van box. you got any assist on it?

92YJCBG
06-15-2008, 11:10 PM
Looks like this is going to be a cool build. I just got my junk inspected in PA. I havent even measured it since its moved, but its approx. 109" 39.5 Iroks w/ about 4" of lift. So it sounds like its close to what you want to do. Its stretched 6" in the rear and probably 6-8" in the front.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/13below0/misc-13.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/13below0/misc-8.jpg
Oh and leaf springs are the new coilovers for all those that dont know. :flipoff2:

a tj with leaf springs, my hat is off to you sir.

Peccavi18
06-15-2008, 11:23 PM
JB Weld isn't going to hold. The plastic on fuel system parts is polypropyline...which doesn't bond with much of the adhesive out there. I've tried super glue with primer activator, JB Weld, and many other things. I'd hit up car-part.com and find one. They're not too bad, since they are the same in a ZJ, XJ, and TJ (04 or older.)

It looks worse in these pics but it's just a tiny little split where the metal pulled apart so I really am hoping that some JB weld does the job.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/042-2.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/041-1.jpg

And I'm bored so a few random pics
Some of the first welds
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/050.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/052.jpg
the pirate salute
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/016-1.jpg

installing the btf tank for the 2nd or 3rd time
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/034-3.jpg

john00TJ
06-16-2008, 06:30 PM
Hey Ryan ,any idea what your doing with those axle in the jeep yet ..My cousin might be interested in them when you yank em ..LMK

Peccavi18
06-16-2008, 10:36 PM
Selling them to help fund this money pit build. I hope to have the 44 out soon the d30 might be awhile though. Gotta get gears lockers assist and steering before I start on The front end

trailerrails
06-17-2008, 09:16 AM
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/052.jpg

You need to clean the metal a bit more before welding, the porosity in that weld is not good. What kind of welder are you using?

Peccavi18
06-17-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeah I didn't clean the metal at all on any of those, that was like the 3rd weld I did. I was just stoked to be burning metal and grabbed chunks that had been cut off and were laying around. I have some pics of ones I cleaned before burning but they went on to my actual camera not the card and I can't figure out how to upload them.
welder is a Hobart Handler 187

trailerrails
06-18-2008, 09:21 AM
You might want to get someone who knows how to weld properly to weld your brackets on to your axle. Ask Matt if you have any questions on how that could fawk up your day.

OverkillZJ
06-18-2008, 10:01 AM
Don't ask me, I haven't had a weld break, only weak material that made for a bad day.

Shodan
06-18-2008, 12:53 PM
13Below0, I'm diggin your rig. Do you have a link to any more pictures or a build thread?

trailerrails
06-18-2008, 04:51 PM
Don't ask me, I haven't had a weld break, only weak material that made for a bad day.

I am talking about the weld on your front axle that broke on you at big dogs, you said that you had someone else weld it who claimed they knew what they were doing.

Peccavi18
06-18-2008, 06:05 PM
yeah I plan on only measuring, setting, and tacking the important stuff. I have a friend who is willing to do the welding.

13below0
06-18-2008, 11:03 PM
I didn't get any pix but to start I am cutting the lip around the lower bolt so I will still have them all. But my plan is to shave it like you did, the extra clearence will prob help for my 37/39's



I saw on NEC that you were lengenthing it out. Weren't you having problems with your front radius links? or what was the reason to go leafs? And have you had it out yet? Any problems high centering being that low and long? I love the look of it, I wish mine was even close to that far along. I considered leafs for the rear but knew I wanted coilovers up front, Being that it will still see alot of street time, and I want the preformance offroad. Then I happened to see the xj or zj spring swap worked well for the rear and it seemed like a no brainer, we'll see though. I hope to be in the 102" ish wb range but again I have alot to work out up front, trying to stay with the tj stock steering box. Looks like you went with the astro van box. you got any assist on it?
102" shouldnt be that big of a problem. I was at 100" just doing the rear last year. Things were close but it worked well. I started doing coils up front then just said **** it because I didnt like the way things were looking. The leafs in the front seem to work well its way more predictable (sp) then it was w/ coils. I always had XJ's and this was the first TJ and that was the one thing I hated about it. It seemed to have a mind of its own. The leafs make it more stable. Yeah I just slapped a astro box on it. It steers better now than it ever has w/ stock Jeep or AGR stuff. I know chad has been pushing his 42's w/ no problem on the stock astro box and it seem to work real well last time at RC. Next weekend will be the first real test so I will post back and let you know if the extra,extra wheel base is worth it.

2002wranglerX
06-19-2008, 11:28 AM
http://jeep-forums.4wd.com/showthread.php?t=33776

cheap full doors (since you now have a hardtop)

13below0
06-19-2008, 11:20 PM
Shodan. Here is a small build thread. Like all projects its never ending.
http://site463.mysite4now.net/4x4outcasts/forum/viewtopic.php?p=524#524

Peccavi18
06-20-2008, 01:20 AM
http://jeep-forums.4wd.com/showthread.php?t=33776

cheap full doors (since you now have a hardtop)


I'm not sure I'd know what to do with real doors though? I have half doors hanging on my wall that I have had for well over a year and they have been on the Jeep once for about 10 mins total. I was stoked to get them but the convience of the soft doors for everything but the interstate is awesome. They could stand to be replaced though. Shot them a pm, thanks

Peccavi18
06-20-2008, 02:43 AM
Got a new fuel sending unit and hoses ran up to my parents today, tested the old JB welded one, it held, but thought it would be a ticking time bomb. So I ran to Pattersons wrecking yard to see if they had any sending units. they had 2 one full of mud and the other one with a broken slider both of which I turned down. Thinking about it I went with the new pump figured it was worth the trouble knowing it was new and shouldn't randomly fail. But the float isn't working, gauge shows below empty. Drove it down to Pittsburgh anyways. Planning on pulling the tank again Sunday morning and see if by chance I mounted it so it got hung up, can't see it being anything else. Float was moving freely before mounting.

One of the managers at work approached me about the possibility of me renting her garage at her house down here. Haven't seen it yet but hoping it's big enough I can fit the axles and some tools in it even if the Jeep doesn't fit, just to save trips.

Peccavi18
07-20-2008, 10:48 AM
A few updates from the last few weeks.
Finally got a good fuel pump in there. Trying to save money on this has been nothing but a waste of time As a side note the Airtex from Advanced Auto are garbage, as Adam I'm sure will vouch for.

Got a small bit of trimming done on the 14bolt
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/024-1.jpg

Found a local store that carries Chasis saver and painted part of the axle just to try it out.

Worked on stripping down the D60over the 4th, It's fighting me the whole way now. Pinion bolt wouln't budge, and this dust shield and brake bracket Will not come off (yes I took the bolts out) Steve offered to help out. So If my next attemt fails I may be lugging it back down here to get these parts off. Thankfully it's getting lighter though :040:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/025-1.jpg

The other day they gave me an odd 4hr break at work so I decieded it was time to start making room for the stretch http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/041-2.jpg
+ grinder =
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/045-2.jpg
I am not sure how high I need to cut this was trying to leave some for rear support but may cut it all out since my cage will be tied into my frame and the tube will be samwiched in there solid anyways. And Ignore the rats nest of wiring back there it has speaker wire and everything else hacked into it. I plan to clean it up when I put the new corners on.

Other that that I did some hack tailpipe work to fix a snaped off end and have been cutting out all kinds of left over and cobbled together wiring. Still trying to rebuild the bank account, while keeping this thing moving forward.

Today at some point I'm planning to replace the driveshaft u-joints if I can get the old ones out. The vibe is getting very noticable.

BigDukeSix
07-20-2008, 11:28 AM
Nice build. If I was single or didn;t have a kid I would come over to help everyday. It looks like its going in the right direction. Pics are great!

Peccavi18
08-19-2008, 03:04 AM
Ordered up a few parts over the last week but can't find the cord to load them.
BTF 14b truss with pinion guard is in the mail
14b 5.13 ring and pinion is in the mail
front d60 reman calipers, brakes, and rotors are sitting on my "workbench" (bedroom table)

Finally got bored enough to wire in my old Alpine unit the sony one I had in there wasn't picking up mp3's any more. Also finished wiring the switch panel in the tuffy box, mounted rock lights underneath (used for quick imprompto parking lot wrenching), and finally figured out/mounted the Corbeau's so they slide/tilt and are low enough to still be usable. Although I still want to tie them into the cage eventually.

john00TJ
08-19-2008, 05:37 PM
i left most of this in there but drilled out the spot welds and bent it back at a angle to keep some structure plus i didnt want mud and rocks flying up and packing in there ..i looks pretty factory and worked well to keep that ugly crap hidden ..

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/041-2.jpg
Do you think you`ll get 6" of strech with that Genright Tank ?? i still dont have a tank but i am aiming for a rear mounted fuel cell ..kinda of undecided ..

Peccavi18
08-20-2008, 12:55 AM
It's showing a hair over 7" of clearence from where my factory tank skid was to where the new BTF skid is, measured off the d44. Between the Ruffstuff skid and bigger 14b I know I won't get all 7", but KirbyIV off Pirate (the guy I bought the skid from) was able to get about 6-6.5 with his 14B. And I am basing alot of my suspension build off his (xj/zj coils, front 14" coilovers through the hood, 37's and 39's)

Peccavi18
08-20-2008, 01:00 AM
i left most of this in there but drilled out the spot welds and bent it back at a angle to keep some structure plus i didnt want mud and rocks flying up and packing in there ..i looks pretty factory and worked well to keep that ugly crap hidden ..


I had thougth about leaving it in there for about ....ohh um 5 seconds. The birds nest of wires behind it has a short/loose wire that keeps acting up with my passenger turn signal and I was tired of fishing my hand in there and blindly rattling the wires. Also I plan on tying the cage into the frame. I like to play hard when I have the oppurnituity, and having stronger axles I know I'm gonna end up putting it in some stupid places, and will need the extra support.

Peccavi18
08-31-2008, 02:31 AM
it's been awhile with out up-dates. I got a BTF truss for the 14b. Very beefy!!! The guy I was getting the gears from tweaked over paypal fees so I didn't end up getting my 14B gears.

Tore off the winch, winch plate, steering skid and started prepping for the front flat clock and stretch.
Took the Jeep to BDS and popped a tree not once but twice and rearranged my front fender pretty good.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/BDS%20Aug08/090.jpg

/\It's meeting a sawall tommorrow.

I went to Mf Steve and DMG's shop today. The punisher will be reusing my old 4.10 gears so Steve offered to help me tear the d60 down. That Snap-on impact is no joke, it's mean. The one hub was galled??? on all the bolts stripped so we drilled the heads off all except the one the easy out had snapped off in, we finally ended up beating and prying it till the head broke off. Calling about gears/ lockers monday morning.

I have 4 days off ?!?!, Hope to get my new boat out on the water for a few of them, and devote the rest of the time to wrenching and prepping for future parts.

john00TJ
08-31-2008, 08:33 AM
id use a cut off wheel and not a sawzall..beat that out first before you cut

Peccavi18
08-31-2008, 06:20 PM
I'm out playing with tools now. If I had a bender... fenders are marked and waiting to be removed. Just got to slow down and keep it legal for the popo for now


Steve try and talk that guy down I think 1.5 would work well for my new flairs :077:

John I looked at a few of those short trail fenders looks like $120ish so far and a piece of 4" flat stock across the top, then just a random size plate for the front depending on what you want to cover up. I'm gonna have a piece of tube bent to line the wheel well should be even stronger than the normal crusher corners.

john00TJ
08-31-2008, 09:01 PM
i am going to call a few hook ups and see what i can get bent this week ..I`ll Let ya know ..you said 3in radius right ??

Peccavi18
09-08-2008, 01:42 AM
i am going to call a few hook ups and see what i can get bent this week ..I`ll Let ya know ..you said 3in radius right ??

John I totally forgot to check on that radius for you, it was on one of the cad drawings that I lost. I will go check it tommorrow morning and pm you it.

I have a few random pics to upload of some random small stuff that has been done, nothing 2 exciting. I have been working way to much to get anything major accomplished and working on/spending money on the boat on the random days off since it is perfect weather to go out in... anyways.

Routing out the H2's to fit over the D60 hubs.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/002-3.jpg

a video if your interested (http://www.pgh-offroad.com/forum/<embed width=)

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00257.jpg

the slider
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00258.jpg

and it still tumbles
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00261.jpg

john00TJ
09-08-2008, 08:15 AM
get back to work :071:

Peccavi18
09-10-2008, 04:41 PM
Just a heads up Complete offroads packages for gears come with Yukon gears and Timkien bearings. I got the 5.13's install kits and a front ARB comming this week. Still undecieded on the rear locker looking at either an ARB or Detriot. Their price was by and far the best I had gotten yet and they beat other prices by a few $$$ each time + free shipping.

Also I am trying to deciede if I want to hard wire the compressor I have to actuate the ARB or if I want to just get the arb compresser with the tire pump option.

john00TJ
09-10-2008, 05:42 PM
yepp thats where i got my gears ,plus he will beat others prices ..

Peccavi18
09-14-2008, 08:02 PM
So today I set up a deal trading my old rims for a set of 36" bias Iroks not the size I want but they are free and if I did blow up my d44 like it looks like I will need tires asap so I can throw the 14B under there. Gonna really get to drag that boat anchor around till I go big.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/010404010301011607200809035f5057b8e.jpg

Peccavi18
09-19-2008, 02:10 AM
If you didn't read my other thread, my Dana44 died on the road. I had a vibe and a slight clicking noise one night after work and the next day on the way to work/ a garage, it got worse and then gave out.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00361.jpg

heres the aftermath
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00378.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00384.jpg

Instead of fixing it I figured "I have half the stuff for the 14bolt swap, just get the rest and do it now" and since I got a set of tires basically for free, that will work for now, I figured I could splurge on a few extras...
So Santa brown has been visiting me every few days with more and more toys. Still have 3 or 4 packages comming hopefully by early next week. Still missing joints, tube inserts, poly bushings, adjustable upper link brackets, calipers, and my stick of tube.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/005-4.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/004-4.jpg


Once everything shows up the Jeep is gonna make a stop at Steve and Dave's shop to get geared and locked since they have previous experience with arb's and thick gear sets. And steve has agreed to help me with rear stretch so I can get it back on the road for now till I get $$$ and the rest of the parts for the front stretch.

Peccavi18
09-19-2008, 02:47 AM
Also has anyone used the fabric dye from duplicolor or any of the other companies to dye a soft top? It was suggested to me since I have brand new uppers for my half doors but they are the wrong color. I am really debating doing this for the winter my soft doors suck in the snow and their windows are really scratched. I would like to run the half doors, and not look stupid with tan uppers. Would I have to mask off the windows? Tried jeepforums and jeepsunlimited searching but wasn't finding anyone who had done it with results.

dan58
09-19-2008, 08:38 AM
I used it to go from gray to black. Worked awesome. It's the duplicolor fabric paint. You HAVE to tape off both the inside and outside of the actual window. The spray just tends to get everywhere, and the stuff is a rip to get off the clear plastic. I think I used two cans for two full soft doors.

MemorEsto
09-19-2008, 08:56 AM
Ryan.... before
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8541/dscf3074gm0.jpg
After
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6646/painteddoor1si8.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1096/jeepdoorpaintqg9.jpg

Peccavi18
09-19-2008, 09:56 AM
Looks good I was searching but all the threads were old and asking if it was possible, and noone said if it actually worked. Think it will work for tan to black? I might try it either way since it was an odd color and noone seems interested in the uppers.

92YJCBG
09-19-2008, 03:10 PM
x2 i used that Dupi-color Vinyl and fabric on my interior to change it from tan to black.

Peccavi18
09-23-2008, 12:46 AM
Think its worth it to have bias Iroks balanced? I have read no but common sence says do it. Also anyone know of any places cheaper than $26 a tire to mount and balance a 36?

92YJCBG
09-23-2008, 12:49 AM
Think its worth it to have bias Iroks balanced? I have read no but common sence says do it. Also anyone know of any places cheaper than $26 a tire to mount and balance a 36?

Ill call a buddy of mine that works in a tire shop tommarrow and see if he can hook you up.

Ragnorox
09-23-2008, 02:52 AM
I think Kings Super Tire out here by me is somthing like $12 for computer balance. I can can double check on that for you Ryan if you want.

mxg342
09-23-2008, 07:24 AM
I would do Dynabeads or the like. My stick on weights lasted about three tire revolutions and I think regular weights would end up falling off too.

dan58
09-23-2008, 10:08 AM
I would do Dynabeads or the like. My stick on weights lasted about three tire revolutions and I think regular weights would end up falling off too.

x2. Or try airsoft BBs..

Peccavi18
09-23-2008, 03:54 PM
I will be getting dyna beads or equal dust for the larger tires but I don't know if its worth it for these. I only plan on running them till I finish the build and have money for a larger set. I had stick on weights on the boggers rims when I got it and they stayed I may try them for the time being.

Sycotik Skier
09-23-2008, 05:30 PM
kings in Mount pleasant area( i'm not from around there) broke my 35" boggers off the rims and mounted them onto different rims for like seven bucks a piece or something. They were crazy cheap

Peccavi18
09-23-2008, 07:29 PM
Anyone have a number for kings?

Ragnorox
09-23-2008, 07:37 PM
we don't have a kings here in mt. pleasant

MF Steve!
09-23-2008, 07:53 PM
i think kings super tire out here by me is somthing like $12 for computer balance. I can can double check on that for you ryan if you want.


vs.


we don't have a kings here in mt. Pleasant

???

BigDukeSix
09-23-2008, 08:30 PM
That's why I dont live in the country... All that fresh air tends to confuse you.

Ragnorox
09-23-2008, 08:39 PM
my bad, was thinking kings resturaunt not kings super tire

kings super tire
613 State Route 819 Rd
Mount Pleasant, PA 15666
(724) 547-9781

just off of rt. 119 scottdale ext
make a left follow road past wal mart
1/4 mile on right cant miss it

BigDukeSix
09-23-2008, 08:45 PM
Ryan I tried to PM you but it says your space is full and need to delete some stuff.

john00TJ
09-23-2008, 08:59 PM
Clean Your box ..i hate dirty boxes ..LOL

BigDukeSix
09-24-2008, 06:26 AM
Clean Your box ..i hate dirty boxes ..LOL

LOL... That's why I stayed away from saying "box".

Peccavi18
09-24-2008, 02:04 PM
Pm "box" cleared.

Called dukes $35-50 a tire if they could even fit them on the machine. Kings is $20 a tire, mounted and balanced. And it looks to be about a 40mile trip. Gonna call a few other places, but ntb is right down the street @$26 a tire.

Ragnorox
09-24-2008, 02:29 PM
Also try McCloys it's in bridgeport just outside Mt. Pleasant

92YJCBG
09-24-2008, 02:37 PM
Im sure NTB on 19 is gonna be expesive.

Peccavi18
09-25-2008, 01:22 AM
Figured what the hell and tried it by myself with some big prybars...not a chance, Other than scratching the rim up I had NO luck. Good workout and an easy way to waste almost 2 hrs though. I even slid the tire and rim under the Jeep and used the high lift to put some pressure on it to keep it from sliding still nothing. Not sure how tire spoons are different than prybars but I don't think I would be good at them either.

Peccavi18
09-25-2008, 11:10 AM
Was in Robinson and called NTW $10 a tire, on my way now. I need to stop at cabelas anyway

Peccavi18
10-06-2008, 01:50 AM
I inquired about high steer arms with the double ended passenger arm to run the rear mounted tie rod like I want. Do you think these arms will fit behind my 5.5" back spaced H2 rims? https://www.spydercustoms.com/index2.php?use_page=/Beadlocks-PSC/index_beadlocks.php

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/Forsale009.jpg

I know this is just a rough guesstimate. I will prob have to run over and get some measurements. I was planning on running Koz arms that fit a 6-7" bs rim but like that these ones are thicker, predrilled, and reamed.

koz arms for reference
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dana-60-High-steering-arm-doubled-ended-cross-over_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42609QQihZ011QQite mZ320226566720QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Peccavi18
10-06-2008, 02:43 AM
Heres a few pics I had while cleaning off the cam.

trying to prybar mount tires
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/007-5.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/008-5.jpg

height difference is abit off for a 1" bigger tire these are as big as punishers 38's??
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/020-4.jpg

loaded up and ready to go on one scary ass road trip
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/023-5.jpg


and my bling bling inspiration
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/018-4.jpg

john00TJ
10-06-2008, 08:10 AM
they look too small ,you should get them new LTBs in 42s :flipoff2:

dan58
10-06-2008, 08:56 AM
A TR behind the axle is extremely difficult, if at all with control arms. If you run a typical high steer, you'll be hard-pressed to ever hit it. Behind the axle setups make it damn tough to run hydro assist too.


I inquired about high steer arms with the double ended passenger arm to run the rear mounted tie rod like I want. Do you think these arms will fit behind my 5.5" back spaced H2 rims? https://www.spydercustoms.com/index2.php?use_page=/Beadlocks-PSC/index_beadlocks.php




I know this is just a rough guesstimate. I will prob have to run over and get some measurements. I was planning on running Koz arms that fit a 6-7" bs rim but like that these ones are thicker, predrilled, and reamed.

koz arms for reference
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dana-60-High-steering-arm-doubled-ended-cross-over_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42609QQihZ011QQite mZ320226566720QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

2002wranglerX
10-06-2008, 05:14 PM
well i guess that's ONE way to try to mount those! lol

we've done it before. we soap up the beads and rim real well. Then you put the tire over the rim kinda crooked.

as you do that you spin the tire (with the rim on the ground). you can nomrally get 3/4 of the bead on the wheel. Then use a pry bar for the rest.

Then quazi repeat with the outer bead.

projeeper
10-06-2008, 05:52 PM
the tire shop on warrington ave 5$ tell him joe the city of pgh guy with the jeep sent you

Peccavi18
10-06-2008, 06:41 PM
I tried every way I could I had grease on one bead and soap on another. I was trying for almost 2 hrs. The rims are aluminum and I scratched them up and decieded to stop before I damaged them. I had 5 pry bars out with no luck

tjblair
10-06-2008, 07:05 PM
tire cheeta's work great if you know someone who has one

13below0
10-06-2008, 08:28 PM
Tire spoons really do work alot better. You have to keep the edge kinda sharp also. I mounted and dismounted my Iroks like 4 times that way. We finnaly cut a part off my buddies old tire machine so we could use that.

tjblair
10-06-2008, 08:39 PM
Never mind the tire cheeta I misunderstood thaught you were beeding not mounting the tire I agree spoons with the wheel held in a tire machine is the way to go. Irocks are usually pretty easy now maxiss creepy crawlers really suck.:039:

Peccavi18
10-12-2008, 11:51 AM
Got my beef adapters from Jason (13below0)
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/092.jpg

Also got a bunch of adapters from Balistic Fab and the 2" joints from Currie. I now have everything for the rear suspension and just waiting on 2 or 3 random parts for the front. Also got some random steering parts still trying to deciede how that will all come together. no pics sorry

Steve and Dave have been helping me do the gears in the 14bolt, as much as I have read I can say I know nothing. They have just been going with it. I had to leave early yesterday for work but if I understood right they had everything set or were just about done. Steve has the pics from yesterday on his phone, with gear patterns and such. So while Dave did that we got the Jeep inside and set up on Steve's bomb ass rocket stands, and we tore the rear off the Jeep. Suprisingly enough there were only 2 bolts that were seized,1 we were able to snap the ends off and the other was quickly cut off with the grinder. Heres what it looks like now floating

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/145.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/144.jpg

Really wish I would have taken it to the car wash before this, raining mud sucks. Hopefully this week we can strip the old brackets, start the control arms and place some of the new bracketry so Steve will get to make circles with the plasma.

I still have to deciede what I want to do with my e-brake situation. If I could pass this year without one I deffinatly am planning for a new t-case w/driveshaft e-brake next year but, that doesn't help me now...
Also have to order new/the right studs for the 14b aparently there are 3 or 4 lengths and I have 2sets but neither is right.

Wrecker
10-12-2008, 01:21 PM
What sort of tranny do you have?

MF Steve!
10-12-2008, 01:25 PM
What sort of tranny do you have?

NV3550 5-speed, that he says likes to pop outta 2nd gear alot! LOL.

----

I'll post pix later this evening...I have to go to work now.

mxg342
10-12-2008, 01:53 PM
Plumb in a manual line lock for the parking brake. Simple and effective.

92YJCBG
10-12-2008, 01:55 PM
just take a brick everywhere you go, my e-brake doent work ethier.

Peccavi18
10-12-2008, 02:08 PM
Yeah the nv3550 is plagued with design flaw of popping out of gear under acceleration or deceleration, it had gotten better since I went with Amsoil but still happens.

I looked at and considered a line lock, seems alot of people use them on trail rigs but from what I understand they aren't legal for inspection. As in they aren't a seperate system. If locks would pass for 1 year though... I have one saved in my favorites it's cheap and proven...

A brick with 36's or bigger isn't even gonna slow me down.

Wrecker
10-12-2008, 02:16 PM
Line locks can bleed off. I know this from exp

Peccavi18
10-12-2008, 02:21 PM
Yeah as long as they would last a day or 2 at a time I would be ok though I think since I will be driving it almost everyday. And hopefully early next spring/summer I will have a Stak mini monster 3spd transfercase with the parking brake option.

john00TJ
10-12-2008, 02:54 PM
i am going to run the caddy calipers just to keep it legal by johnny laws standards ..

john00TJ
10-12-2008, 02:55 PM
oh yeah lets see some progress pics already

Peccavi18
10-12-2008, 03:00 PM
for as hard as they are to setup and for 4 times the price I would perfer not to do the eldorados but...

no progress today, did some early morning car shopping, now I'm just looking for parts and researching

john00TJ
10-12-2008, 03:48 PM
basically there isnt much choice for a ebrake then ..line locks arent legal and i dont think you cant use a pinion brake either

mxg342
10-12-2008, 03:55 PM
Is the Jeep going to be legal to inspect after the axle swap anyway?

john00TJ
10-12-2008, 03:57 PM
yeah Ryans should be pretty legal except for the ebrake ..LOL

Peccavi18
10-12-2008, 04:02 PM
Pinion brakes aren't legal? I'm not dissagreeing, just never heard that before. I thought since it was a seperate "system" then your brakes and it locked the tires it would be legal.

copied from the Pa code

§ 175.64. Braking systems.


(a) Condition of braking systems. Braking systems and components shall be in safe operating condition as described in § 175.80 (relating to inspection procedure).
(b) Service brakes. A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with a service brake system. See 75 Pa.C.S. § 4502 (relating to general requirements for braking systems).
(1) The service brakes shall act on all wheels upon application and shall be capable of stopping a vehicle in not more than the maximum stopping distance prescribed in Table I (relating to brake performance), except on a vehicle being transported in driveaway-towaway operation.
(2) The brake lining and brake fluids shall be of a type approved by the vehicle manufacturer or shall meet the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) standards in Appendix A (relating to minimum requirements for motor vehicle brake lining—SAE J998).
(3) A passenger car manufactured or assembled after June 30, 1967, and designated as a 1968 or later model shall be equipped with a service brake system of a design that rupture or failure of either the front or rear brake system will not result in the complete loss of braking function. Braking function may be obtained by hydraulic or other means through a normal brake mechanism. In the event of a rupture or failure of an actuating force component, the unaffected brakes shall be capable of applying adequate braking force to vehicle.
(4) Metal from a shoe may not contact the brake drums or rotors.
(5) Brake lines shall be approved for use as brake lines.
(c) Parking brake system. A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with a parking brake system. See 75 Pa.C.S. § 4502.
(1) A parking brake system shall be adequate to hold the vehicle on a surface free from ice or snow on a 20% grade with the vehicle in neutral.
(2) The parking brakes shall be separately actuated so that failure of any part of the service brake actuation system will not diminish the vehicle’s parking brake holding capability.

2002wranglerX
10-12-2008, 04:13 PM
the inspection tech sitting next to mesays pinion ebrakes are legal.you really need to make some friends who do jeep friendly inspections

john00TJ
10-12-2008, 04:30 PM
Its not a pinion brake ,its a driveline brake ..it works great till you break a ujoint ..a actual pinion brake like they run on the rockwell axles would work but i dont think a driveline brake pass inspection

Peccavi18
10-12-2008, 05:52 PM
I know one but I'm not trying to overly push my luck either, I do still dd this and want it done right the first time

here is what I am looking at
http://www.stak4x4.com/products_images/small/parking_brake_small.jpg

DMG
10-12-2008, 06:51 PM
Its not a pinion brake ,its a driveline brake ..it works great till you break a ujoint ..a actual pinion brake like they run on the rockwell axles would work but i dont think a driveline brake pass inspection

Driveline brakes pass inspection on meduim duty and heavy duty trucks every day.

MF Steve!
10-12-2008, 07:05 PM
Just get that Stak Mini Box, and throw it in low gear...that'll keep you parked!

Peccavi18
10-12-2008, 07:34 PM
true
5.22 in low with 5.13s in the axle and the 4.01 in the transmission would pretty much stop it. at 1800rpm i would be doing a whole 1.8mph with a 107:1crawl ratio

not gonna be moving very fast even in gear :029:

john00TJ
10-12-2008, 10:29 PM
Driveline brakes pass inspection on meduim duty and heavy duty trucks every day.

So are you sayin that it would be ok to run on a jeep for Pa inspection ? i am still kind of unclear on what is /isnt exactly legal and dont want to run the caddy calipers on mine if i dont have to

ArtCloud
10-12-2008, 11:16 PM
I would say that a driveline brake would pass... whether it would work with a broken u-joint or not is kind of beside the point, you're going to need that u-joint working also to pass inspection right? If you're in a situation where your driveshaft ujoint broke and you lost your hydro brakes with 36"+ tires i don't think a stock e-brake is going to save your life, i could be wrong, but every vehichle i ever owned the e-brake sucked, i have to have it adjusted every inspection and a week later it sucked again, and that with normal street tires.

DMG
10-12-2008, 11:51 PM
So are you sayin that it would be ok to run on a jeep for Pa inspection ? i am still kind of unclear on what is /isnt exactly legal and dont want to run the caddy calipers on mine if i dont have to

I would pass a driveline brake on a Jeep for inspection. Most of the medium duty and heavy duty stuff I have worked on lately had one.

john00TJ
10-14-2008, 07:11 PM
come on ryan ,get back in the garage and get to work , we wanna see some pictures

Peccavi18
10-14-2008, 11:14 PM
I wish I could work on it every night. Unfournatually work and not having the garage right here handy are drawing it out abit longer. Steve has some pics on his phone of the teardown of the rear end and the gear patterns. Maybe he willpost them up for you.
I did manage to order some parts today. Got my rear corners ordered as well as a rear cage spreader and a second that I will be turning into a harness bar. Also my other Johnny Joints finally showed up so I should have all my suspension joints.


John I'm gonna give you a call this week about that tube for the tierod I would like to start getting that all together so I can plan for the front stretch. BTW your links in your sig aren't working, you need to remove one set of the http's

john00TJ
10-15-2008, 08:08 AM
did you end up getting the SPyder cornors ?? i still need to get the measurments to my buddy fo rthe sides ,i just been real busy with that funeral then i am behind at work ..how much tube you needing ??

Peccavi18
10-15-2008, 04:25 PM
Yeah I got the LJ corners with led cutouts, they will need some modification, but anything I buy will need modified since I'm doing a custom stretch PA style.

I'm not really sure how much tube I will need just yet. I think I will be narrowing the axle to about 65" but we will see how clearences look

Peccavi18
10-16-2008, 02:48 AM
Got a few pics from today. Maybe Steve will throw up some of his from the other day most of mine turned out blurry.
Gear pattern looks good, had to use the 2nd crush sleve though. Got a bit to tight on the first one.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/001-3.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/002-5.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/003-5.jpg

Mocked up
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/005-6.jpg

Marking the truss for the connecting bolts and ARB line hole
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/006-6.jpg

Welding on the beef ass truss

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/012-5.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/015-4.jpg

Some of Steve's amazing welds

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/016-5.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/020-5.jpg

The Rocket jack stands in use.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/004-6.jpg

We also got the rear tire carrier off and started to knock the old axle brackets off.

Peccavi18
10-16-2008, 02:55 AM
Anyone (John) know what size the brakeline is on the 14bolt? When I was stripping the axle I tossed it and never thought to get a size on it. And searching isn't comming up with anything useful.

Peccavi18
10-16-2008, 04:16 AM
Also anyone have any input on the legality of boatsides in PA?:025:

Here's a link (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=280638&highlight=tj+boat+sides)with pics if you don't know what I'm talking about. I keep looking for GOOD rockerguards and just realized that even then I will have the thin and weak bodymount hanging out below the gaurds. Seems like a waste. Boatsides would be alot cheaper and could tie my cage, fenders, and crusher corners in to strengthen the whole tub. I noticed Trailer Rails did it with his on that link, His looks really good, anyone how did he liked it.

:banme:

And by chance would anyone have or know where we could borrow an inline scale to hang the 14bolt from the engine hoist for a minute or 2 just to see how heavy this pig really is?

john00TJ
10-16-2008, 07:55 AM
Anyone (John) know what size the brakeline is on the 14bolt? When I was stripping the axle I tossed it and never thought to get a size on it. And searching isn't comming up with anything useful.


I`ll check today :011:

boatside should be legali dont see why they wouldnt ,i planed on doing mine but have no time ,maybe once it drives ..

Peccavi18
10-19-2008, 01:39 AM
Got a few things done this morning. picked up the drw 14b studs and the last of the bolts for connecting the pinion guard to the 14b. Still looking for a correct size on the bolts used to connect the brakes brackets to the 14b. And info on the nuts used with these studs and H2 rims apparently they are special.

Anyways heres some progress pics.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00560.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00559.jpg


And we couldn't resist throwing some tires on just for the hell of it.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00562.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00565.jpg

They make the 14b look small.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00564.jpg


Hopefully the next update will have the rest of the brackets stripped off the rear of the frame and the suspension should be taking shape and maybe the D60 will be sitting on the axle stand. Alot of parts are starting to fall together, just need to make a few decisions (like the e-brake issue) and the build should really start to take off.

john00TJ
10-19-2008, 08:53 AM
so who is moving that fully assembled pig of a axle under the jeep ??

i think steve is right ,sell him the tires and get something bigger ..LOL

if you did run the H1s for trail wheels your DRW hub would stick out past the wheel ..bad idea IMHO ,youd smack that bitch off of every rock inthe tristate area

Peccavi18
10-19-2008, 09:49 AM
The engine hoist is moving it, I'm not trying to kill myself, Steve, or Dave, It's HEAVY. Hopefully I can find the right lugnuts and we can just roll it once we get it down, then chock it, in place.

If I did the H1's I'd prob just go and recenter them, sounds like extra work but the width with 5.5" of bs should be only an inch or two wider than I am now. Which fits down the trails nicely.

As for the Astro van box, yeah I'm flat clocking whatever I run, but I could realistically pull it back some and just have the arm up almost inside the new bumper. Still not sure just yet I'll prob buy a scrap yard one and test fit it either way. We'll see that's a whole new can of worms that I am preplanning for but not quite ready for yet.

Peccavi18
10-19-2008, 10:17 AM
And these are just a few pics I'm throwing up to show ppl what I am talking about and so I can find them when I am at the shop for reference.
the poly 4 link brackets.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/4linkbracket.jpg

Clayton 4link kit
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/untitled1.jpg

Real coil "bucket"
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/framerear2.jpg

Another view
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/framerear.jpg

Frame cut in for possible shock mounting
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/156.jpg

forward mount possibility for shocks
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/biggreen.jpg

Eldorados with the bracket
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/eldoradocalipers.jpg

Peccavi18
10-19-2008, 10:22 AM
4 link
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/DSC00544.jpg

cut away for driver front lower link
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/2008apr0043.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/2008apr0045.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/build%20ideas/2008apr0072.jpg

john00TJ
10-19-2008, 10:57 AM
Now get back to work ,

Peccavi18
10-19-2008, 11:12 AM
Now get back to work ,

Hey just cuz your pissed you have to play with an elantra:icon_hang:, question for ya. You wouldn't happen to have the extra 2 bolts from your 14b brake brackets still around would you? I missplaced mine and we cannot find a replacement, hoping if I had 1 to take to the parts store with me maybe they would atleast be able to find me something close. We were tempted to load the axle up and take it to napa yesterday if it wasn't such a heavy bitch.

Also I can still get that other reamer off you once I get that far right:biggrin:

BigDukeSix
10-19-2008, 12:32 PM
Cant wait to see it finished Ryan. Thats gonna be a fawkin brute.

Krod
10-19-2008, 12:33 PM
No problem with boatsides in PA. Cut weld, repeat.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/students/m/s/msl197/Jeep/TechArticles/Boatsides/PICS/IMG_0019.JPG

line-x'd
http://www.personal.psu.edu/students/m/s/msl197/Jeep/TechArticles/Boatsides/PICS/Boatsides%20Done.JPG



use a square or a builders triangle to trace the angle you want on the existing floor boards. Because they aren't flat, this will allow your cut line to follow the contours of the floor, but still keep the angle of the boatside the same all the way down your tub.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/students/m/s/msl197/Jeep/TechArticles/Boatsides/Pict0538_small.jpg

http://www.personal.psu.edu/students/m/s/msl197/Jeep/TechArticles/Boatsides/Pict0541_small.jpg





Some dimensions to get you going for rockers after the boatsides. I made mine to a 45, but you could certainly go shallower on the angle if you want more of the floor left. You'll have to measure your tub for clearances.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/students/m/s/msl197/Jeep/TechArticles/Boatsides/Dimensions.jpg




LMK if you have any questions. Its fairly straight forward, but I'd be happy to stop and help since I've been there.

john00TJ
10-19-2008, 02:20 PM
Hey just cuz your pissed you have to play with an elantra:icon_hang:, Blow me ..LOL


You wouldn't happen to have the extra 2 bolts from your 14b brake brackets still around would you? .

i have no F`in idea what 2 bolts your talking about ,i do have all my bolts in a box (which you should have done also then you wouldnt be asking this question )


Also I can still get that other reamer off you once I get that far right:biggrin:

Yes

Peccavi18
10-19-2008, 05:43 PM
LMK if you have any questions. Its fairly straight forward, but I'd be happy to stop and help since I've been there.
I may be taking you up on that offer.

As long as I can hit the pedals, I am willing to chop a decent amount out. Did you change anything with your body mounts, if so any pics? I have a few ideas, and would like to get rid of the body mounts and tie my cage, boat sides, corners, and front fenders all together.


Also where did you get your steel bent?

Krod
10-19-2008, 07:15 PM
Don't have anymore pics detailing the body mounts, but I didn't touch them on mine. I'd grab you some recent pics, but my jeep is currently in several pieces to rip off the necessary parts before I send it to the scrap yard. (anyone need a decent shape YJ tub already boatsided ? LOL) I did the boatsides as an answer to a rusty rocker panel, and figured I'd gain a few inches of clearance while I was in there.

If I were doing it to remove the body mounts, I'd make 'em look just like this. (on a TJ too! )

http://www.personal.psu.edu/students/m/s/msl197/Jeep/TechArticles/Boatsides/jeep-14.1.jpg

http://www.personal.psu.edu/students/m/s/msl197/Jeep/TechArticles/Boatsides/jeep-5.1.jpg

http://www.personal.psu.edu/students/m/s/msl197/Jeep/TechArticles/Boatsides/jeep-6.01.jpg


Basically plates that bolt through your frame (sleeved of course), then tied into the rockers/boatsides/cage. Hard mounting your body to the rest of the frame. Better make sure your cage is solid though, or you'll start tearing up your body when you start hammering on this rig if you hard mount the body. (you are planning on beating the ever-living shit of out of it at least a few times....right?? :116: )



Get ahold of me when you're ready to cut, I'm sure I can take a Saturday and get you going on that project.

dan58
10-19-2008, 07:36 PM
I don't see the reason for the boatsides. It's not an area where you need clearance. Get a good, sturdy set of rocker guards. I use mine ALL the time, and the boatsides would be a big hindrance to me. You can't use them to swivel around rocks, trees, etc. OMHO, big mistake.

13below0
10-19-2008, 09:08 PM
I don't see the reason for the boatsides. It's not an area where you need clearance. Get a good, sturdy set of rocker guards. I use mine ALL the time, and the boatsides would be a big hindrance to me. You can't use them to swivel around rocks, trees, etc. OMHO, big mistake.
x2 They make a re-enforcement for the body mounts if your that worried about it. There kind of trick pieces to, they are angled so if you do get into them it should not be that big of a deal. Found them. http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/images/product%20photos/body-clamz-set.jpg
Have you figured out what your doing for rear brakes yet? I'm running eldo calipers on my rear 60 so if I can offer up any good/bad advice let me know. I didnt read thru the last 2 pages of your build but I seen they were mentioned.

MF Steve!
10-19-2008, 09:19 PM
Ryan, after doing some research on the rear brakes myself, The Punisher actually has the Caddy calipers on the 14b. The caliper brackets are BTF. Of course it doesn't have the e-brake brackets though.

13below0
10-19-2008, 09:28 PM
I also just realized you said something about using a astro box. How far you plan on stretching the front? For whats its worth thats what I'm running now. Mainly becasue of the leaf springs in the front. But if your keeping coils I would just keep a stock or upgraded box, and do what ever fab work is needed to use the stock box. The front of the frame is going to be the easiest part you cut off the jeep.

john00TJ
10-19-2008, 09:42 PM
what bolts do you need ??? call me at let me know i`ll dig one up and you can match them

MF Steve!
10-19-2008, 09:45 PM
what bolts do you need ??? call me at let me know i`ll dig one up and you can match them

We're looking for the ones the bolt the caliper bracket to the square flange at the end of the axle tube. Dan from RuffStuff said they were 1/2" - 20 thread, but they're nowhere near that. I think they're 7/16" - 18, but I'd hate to waste another trip to the store without knowing for sure.

john00TJ
10-19-2008, 10:04 PM
Ok i understand now ..Ryan had me clueless ..i`ll have to yank one since my brackets are bolt on and under the jeep ..i`ll let ya know tomorrow when i am over there but i do think they are bigger than 7/16th

ArtCloud
10-19-2008, 11:16 PM
I don't see the reason for the boatsides. It's not an area where you need clearance. Get a good, sturdy set of rocker guards. I use mine ALL the time, and the boatsides would be a big hindrance to me. You can't use them to swivel around rocks, trees, etc. OMHO, big mistake.

I don't know about mistake, but I agree, I wouldn't do it unless my rockers were rusted out. I'd say rocker guards / sliders are the way to go if your panels are still intact. If they are rusted out like Krod's, this looks the way to go. Krod, do you have any interior pictures how they turned out??

Peccavi18
10-20-2008, 12:51 AM
I was still planning to run a "step" tube off the top of the boat side as a piviot point. I am going low with this build, very minimal lift, and would like to keep as much up and out of the way as possible. I have the RE skid which would require abit more work to make the boatside/hard body mount fit well, but I like that idea. I liked the richochett rockers and rocker knockers from PSC and tried to get them but it never worked out. Would still run them if I could find a set that shipping wouldn't kill. My current rocker guard are only tub mounted and my tub is deffinatlly waved from them I haven't tried removing them yet but expect it to be pretty busted up under there.

The front end will have 14" coilovers comming up out of the hood. Going to be moving it forward at least 2 inches maybe up to 6" depending on how close it all comes to the radiatior.

John I may have found the bolts, but if you don't mind measuring 1 that would be awesome. My dad is mailing the ones he found down but new ones would be better probably.

Jason, do you know where you got your calipers and if they came with the brackets to hook up the parking brake? I keep looking but very few places list if they come with the brakets or not.

BigDukeSix
10-20-2008, 07:56 AM
Won't it lose that "legalish" thing you're after with coilovers sticking out of the hood?

john00TJ
10-20-2008, 08:01 AM
no it will be as legal as mine ..LOL ..

really i doubt that will make or break it

Peccavi18
10-20-2008, 10:35 AM
the blue Tj in the second post is running the same suspension and height as I wil be running I am modeling mine off of his. HIs shock hoops witht 4 inches of up travel just come up through the hood like an inch

13below0
10-20-2008, 12:17 PM
Jason, do you know where you got your calipers and if they came with the brackets to hook up the parking brake? I keep looking but very few places list if they come with the brakets or not.
I got them right from the local NAPA store. And yes they came with the bracket. Your best bet is to find some old guys that own a local parts store they usually know what the hell there looking for. Another more expensive but better option is stainless steel brake corp. You can buy a kit from them that has better hardware than what will come stock.

Peccavi18
10-20-2008, 07:51 PM
Are the kits from ssbc any better in parking brake reliability? I will prob have a Tc parking brake by next summer. I'd perfer a inexpensive set of Eldorado ones with the bracket if I could find them but... no luck so far.

MF Steve!
10-20-2008, 11:59 PM
Are the kits from ssbc any better in parking brake reliability? I will prob have a Tc parking brake by next summer. I'd perfer a inexpensive set of Eldorado ones with the bracket if I could find them but... no luck so far.

We can hit the Napa in Canonsburg Saturday. He said they had one of the two in stock, so you can at least get an idea of whats included with it...maybe have them get the other side and some pads if its what you're looking for.

92YJCBG
10-21-2008, 12:23 AM
We can hit the Napa in Canonsburg Saturday. He said they had one of the two in stock, so you can at least get an idea of whats included with it...maybe have them get the other side and some pads if its what you're looking for.

Chilly C will have you coverd.


If you dont know who he is, belive me you will. haha

Peccavi18
10-21-2008, 01:15 AM
I may have found a set online, Steve do you remember how much the napa ones were? $130ish a side?

MF Steve!
10-21-2008, 06:12 AM
I may have found a set online, Steve do you remember how much the napa ones were? $130ish a side?

$79.99 w/ a $66.00 core.

13below0
10-21-2008, 07:05 PM
If you dont know anyone that works there give them some bs core and hope for they dont check them. That price seems right I will talk to a kid that works at a napa store next to are shop and see if he has anything you can use for a core. There always throwning shit away over there. As far as ssbc being any better, I cant say if they work better but the spring for the ebrake and the arm were way better than the stock stuff. When you get them right they work fine. If your going to put a brake on the t-case then I dont think I would waste my money them. Dont you guys know anyone to take it to for inspection?

Peccavi18
10-21-2008, 11:15 PM
If you could check and see if they have something that would be cool I know a few ppl at advance and pep boys ill see if any of them have anything. I have found a few cheaper but I am guessing they don't have the bracket, gonna make some calls tommorrow to find out, I figure I can resell them once I get the t/c e-brake, they go qiuck as shit on there. I know a few jeep friendly inspection places but it is still going to be a daily driver and have a
few "grey area" mods so I don't want to push my luck to badly, and ask for them to risk it or have it be dangerous. Anyone ever use rock hard auto parts, if so how does it work?

mxg342
10-22-2008, 07:38 AM
Anyone ever use rock hard auto parts, if so how does it work?


Are you talking about rockauto.com? I have bought some stuff off of them but never anything that required a core. They did have good prices on stuff for my dodge. (ball joints and wheel bearings)

Peccavi18
10-22-2008, 10:31 AM
Cheapest I have found so far is $119 a side with pads and hardward from O'Reily and a lifetime warrenty, unless I can find some old cores I may go that way.


Yeah rockauto was what i was talking about I was on my phone at work trying to type that couldn't remember the name offhand.

Peccavi18
10-26-2008, 01:52 AM
Jason sent you a PM.

Peccavi18
10-26-2008, 03:00 AM
I was gonna rename this buiild "Fat Fawk" quoting Steve after hefting axles around for it all morning but the old title still fits. I went to order the e-brake calipers from Oriely and they aren't listed as being for sale now???wtf? Gonna get up tommorrow and make some calls to see what the deal is on Eldorado brakes and get a set on their way here even if it costs abit more. Secondly I'm finding out Posion Spyder Customs had that liquidation sale to blow out their inventory before creditors could get to it, and supposedly before they got to mail it all out the cops showed up and put a stop to it...so I got charged but there is a very good chance no parts are in the mail. And since they are no longer in business I can't get ahold of anyone to find out.:013::lame:

Anyways we got some stuff done, it's starting to look like a Jeep again, a very badass one at that.

The 14b is residing under the Jeep
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/001-4.jpg

DRW hubs place the mounting surface right in line with the tub
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/002-6.jpg

Where it was sitting origionally was refferded to as "illegal with a capital I" will not cut it for a street legal build
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/003-6.jpg

Leveled out the Jeep (if you've seen the floor you know this is a job)
side view
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/006-7.jpg

back
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/005-7.jpg



Front (close enough we'll take it)
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/007-7.jpg


The rocket jackstands made this so freakin easy and are awesome for a Jeep of this size. My ride height should be almost right dead on with these if not just an inch high. Best part is they sit way out off the frame rails so we can still work around them.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/008-7.jpg

Peccavi18
10-26-2008, 03:12 AM
Finally cutting some body away, edit: we went below the spot welds for now just to get the tires under there. If needed we can cut about an inch maybe inch and a half higher for more clearence/uptravel and just weld the tub and fender straight together.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/012-6.jpg

results
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/015-5.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/017-6.jpg

Stripping the brackets
Steve playing with the plasma
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/013-5.jpg

what's left after gouging
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/017-6.jpg

I tried using the grinder to compare, it took twice as long though
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/016-6.jpg

Peccavi18
10-26-2008, 03:24 AM
Today shit was moving, other than the pics, we measured and prepped the locations for the brackets on the axle and truss, got the tube out to start cutting some links, tossed the d44 to the side, and cleaned and prepped the garage so hopefully this week we can get another productive day or 2 in.

If it keeps moving like this It may actually be sitting on it's own weight soon. Then it's back to the details that take forever.

Peccavi18
10-26-2008, 03:29 AM
i just cut my rear like this today ..its kind of crazy taking a cutoff wheel to perfectly good sheet metal ..LOL...you`ll have to check it out this weekend

It was weird seeing it get cut off, a you can't turn back feeling, but I was stoked to finally see it coming off and some visual progress finally being made.

john00TJ
10-26-2008, 09:39 AM
Look like a T-rex ripped you some tail light holes ..WTF is that crap ,thanks god for some new cornors huh ?? .

Its the little shit that takes forever ..i need to get moving on mine i wanna wheel it so bad

Peccavi18
10-26-2008, 10:19 AM
The holes were done by the previous owner, for the led's. I think they used a dull hachet to cut them out.

96greenxjjeep
10-26-2008, 10:29 AM
i cant wait to get my 60s under my jeep, just gotta get outta school first

Peccavi18
10-28-2008, 11:38 PM
We tore into it today, made a hell of alot of progress.
Started out putting the gas tank skid back on so we could place the axle.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/006-8.jpg

Took and aligned the axle to the frame, and measured how far we were moving the axle back.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/008-8.jpg

We ended up getting 6 inches (I think). Maybe a hair more/less we have abit of adjustability we can play with back there.

Made up the lower control arms... BEEF!!!
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/010-7.jpg


Poly bushing from poly performance 1 7/8 with zerk
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/011-7.jpg

Both finished up 36" eye to eye with 1" of thread out.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/012-7.jpg

Peccavi18
10-28-2008, 11:54 PM
Decieded to mount them up

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/013-6.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/016-7.jpg

The only thing I am doubting is the location of the lower tabs, Not sure if they are down far enough. I used the 4-link calculater but a few hundred pounds would throw my numbers all off anyways and I am using shitty numbers at best so We placed them by guestimation. Let me know what you think.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/014-6.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/017-7.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/018-6.jpg

After that we couldn't help but throw the tires on to see where clearences were at.:003:

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/019-6.jpg

92YJCBG
10-28-2008, 11:56 PM
those welds are incredible...nicey done.

Peccavi18
10-29-2008, 12:11 AM
The desion to run the dual rear wheel hubs on the single rear axle (c&c width) was the right choice:icon_super:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/020-6.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/021-6.jpg

Just for reference my D44 with my 35s had my tires hanging out alittle over an 1 almost 1.5 inches from these flares...damn near where I am now

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/023-6.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/022-5.jpg

And heres how the tire centers up in the new wheelwell.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/025-4.jpg

We got to where we ran into a few questions like whether or not to run bushing on the uppers or johnny joints at both ends and to go 2 or 2.5 inch tube for the uppers. Searching pirate for input on these now. Either way I gotta go pick up some cuts of tube tommorrow, brushes for the chop saw, and order some parts for a new rear bumper and for the brakes so I can drive it ratrod style. And I still haven't gotten any of my parts from PSC, gonna file for a refund on my credit card tommorrow, sucks I was looking forward to adding a few of their parts to the build.

Peccavi18
10-29-2008, 12:16 AM
those welds are incredible...nicey done.

Yeah Steve's welds are damn near artwork on their own. He was giving me some pointers but there is no way I could ever compete.

MF Steve!
10-29-2008, 06:18 AM
It looks even better in person!

It's not that we guessed on the mounting width of the lower control arms at the axle end, they're at the same width as the stock TJ brackets. Hopefully it will work out, but thats why we only tacked them.

dan58
10-29-2008, 07:57 AM
Go with JJs on both ends. If the geometry is correct, you won't need 2.5" uppers. They don't get hit like the lowers will.

Peccavi18
10-29-2008, 10:37 AM
Yeah like Steve said the width of the lower axle brackets is based off a stock set-up. The placement vertically (for seperation) is what we guessetimated on. I have an adjustible upper bracket so that should really help with getting the seperation set and controlling antisquat.

96greenxjjeep
10-29-2008, 10:56 AM
I cant wait to see it all done.

MF Steve!
10-29-2008, 09:40 PM
Its starting to get fun now. Too bad for our conflicting schedules...or we would probably have the rear done about now. More updates coming from Ryan tonight!

Peccavi18
10-29-2008, 10:00 PM
Loading pics now and installing a new autocad. Hopping to draw up some parts and speed up some of the small shit.

Today we got some stuff going but all of it was just a piece here or there. Notching the frame rail was a PITA way to many stupid brackets and crossmembers in there to do it without the plasma, wasted alot of time with a sawall and grinder.

john00TJ
10-29-2008, 10:22 PM
man you guys are Slow get this thing rolling i wanna wheel ..LMAO

MF Steve!
10-29-2008, 10:30 PM
Yea yea. Just be happy its going quicker than my damn MJ project I don't give a shit about anymore!

96greenxjjeep
10-29-2008, 10:32 PM
what all needs done on the MJ Steve

john00TJ
10-29-2008, 10:32 PM
yeah i got like that for awhile with my build ..i wont even tell you about the trans am i am building thats been waiting for paint for like 2 years thats sitting in storage waiting .sometime shit gets burnt out .

Peccavi18
10-29-2008, 10:53 PM
The MJ needs the shit emptied off it and a set of axles that can handle 36's.

Peccavi18
10-29-2008, 11:05 PM
I slept in till 2:30 today and missed going to get the tube for the upper links, so we started on a few other random pieces. Another Jeep came to the garage for some work so while Steve and Dave were checking it out I cut the long side of the D60 down. We're not starting the front yet but the axle is on the rack and the gears and locker are here but Dave said we should probably narrow it before we gear it so...
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/021-7.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/022-6.jpg

Also figured out the location and setup of the frame notches for the springs. Cutting these out proved to be one huge pain in the ass. My shock relocation brackets were right therewelded to the tub/frame/crossmember, the gas tank crossmember was in the way and the bottom of the tub... That was a slow process but one side is done and now we know the game plan for the other side.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/015-7.jpg

Here you can see the shit behind the fame that had to be modified
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/016-8.jpg

While measuring for the new spring brackets, Steve came up with the idea to incorperate it all into one so out came the plasma and now we have these trick brackets.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/020-7.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/019-7.jpg

Now I just need to find some front coil spring isolaters. If any of you have a set let me know. Also looking for a stock TJ pitman arm.

Peccavi18
10-29-2008, 11:13 PM
:worthless:

NVM my clipboard was full

Peccavi18
10-29-2008, 11:46 PM
man you guys are Slow get this thing rolling i wanna wheel ..LMAO

Looking at your thread didn't you start a year ago?:owned: :flipoff2:

And to quote Steve "Once you go 1 tons your never done"

We make alot of progress when we can get to the shop but that is only 1 maybe 2 days a week, for 4 or 5 hrs. Hopefully shit starts falling together soon. Would like to have most of the rear done by hunting season, since none of us will probably want to head to the shop during our off time.

john00TJ
10-30-2008, 08:09 AM
now your hurting my feelings :071:

doublejz
10-30-2008, 09:29 AM
Another Jeep came to the garage for some work so while Steve and Dave were checking it out I cut the long side of the D60 down.

I just realized now that the TJ from this thread was the one in the shop last nite. Those 1 tons def looked sweet under it and I don't think you have to worry about fender clearance. :-P

Peccavi18
10-30-2008, 03:04 PM
Yeah that's my jeep. I couldn't remember your sn. You jeep looks awesome, all the creature comforts and then some.
I hope it sits an inch or two lower when all said and done. I want a really low cog, with removable flares and crusher corners I should have plenty of room

john00TJ
10-30-2008, 06:59 PM
i cant believe your narrowing that ..makes me sad

ArtCloud
10-30-2008, 07:36 PM
i cant believe your narrowing that ..makes me sad

x2, wouldn't it be more convenient and less expensive just to leave the axles full width. If you manage to find an inspection shop that passes your frame modification, I doubt they are going to be picky about your axle width, especially if you plan on making removable flares that cover your tires...

Peccavi18
10-30-2008, 10:59 PM
The key for using the late 80's Ford D60 is narrowing it and running air shocks or coilovers. I am only going to 65" or 65.75" just knocking a few inches off. I will have to narrow the long side shaft but I can get a shaft narrowed for $85 plus shipping or go aftermarket for $300. Convient depends, on the trails I like how narrow a stock tj is, build wise I would save time not narrowing it and on road I'm sure the width would be nice but I think the overall will easily make up for the initial expense and labor. And I've never had a shop really look at my frame for inspection not to say they shouldn't but...

13below0
10-31-2008, 12:02 AM
Do work son... You guys are moving right along. when your done you can come to Erie and work on mine. The only thing I have done to it is wheel it since I stretched the front. Once you go tons your done. Sell it and start over then its fun again. lol. On the uppers run some kind of rod end at both ends. Are they really that bad down that way with inspection stuff? Knock on wood, but I drive mine on a regular basis with no front fenders and stock flairs in the rear and its at 108" wb I drive right by 2 police stations on the way to work.

13below0
10-31-2008, 12:04 AM
OH, Steve if you want to donate the MJ I will throw my 60s under it and beat the hell out of it for you. Get that thing done already.

Peccavi18
10-31-2008, 12:42 AM
No work will be done till next week some time, Steve is out of town. Till then I will be picking up/ordering some parts, getting some steel and trying to get motivated to redraw some of my ideas up on the comp. I could use the practice on cad. BTW Jason send me your paypal again for the front two tube adapters, I must have deleted the origional PM with it. What needs done on yours? Something broken? I will be up in Erie to visit my bro the next month or so, maybe if your around I'll swing by.
We make damn good progress when we are there at the shop but my work schedule blows and it makes it hard to get going on it. Hopefully I will have a new job soon. A steady wage and hours would be the shit right about now.
As for inspections I usually go to a guy from my hometown. He's worked on my familys cars for a few years, so he knows us and isn't bad but last year he was alittle more strict, so I'm not sure what to expect.




Steve's MJ is refered to as his anti-motivation, hopefully he gets the urge again it has the potential to be badass.

mxg342
10-31-2008, 08:08 AM
Where are you getting your axle cut? Moser I think is $65 and they'll turn it around in a week (including shipping)

BigDukeSix
10-31-2008, 08:16 AM
Here's a conversation recorded last Saturday at the shop:

"Steve you're great." "Thanks Ryan you're great too" "Dave-great" THanks, I think you're pretty special too" "Wow, really?" "Yup, and great" "Gee whiz!!" "That axle looks great" "Yup, great" "That would be great when it's done" "Yup" "We're great together!!""Um. Ryan, Steve..Shouldnt we get some work done?""It'll get done Dave don't worry.Steve did I tell you how great you are?""No, tell me again Ryan!"....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

13below0
10-31-2008, 12:40 PM
PM'd I dont really need anything done. Its just shit beat now, hell I managed to dent the tailgate last weekend. Hey, if your coming to Erie and need anything powdercoated Like your control arms etc. let me know. We do powdercoating in house. And if you want to do some of the work we can do it even cheaper.

Peccavi18
10-31-2008, 03:28 PM
Here's a conversation recorded last Saturday at the shop:

"Steve you're great." "Thanks Ryan you're great too" "Dave-great" THanks, I think you're pretty special too" "Wow, really?" "Yup, and great" "Gee whiz!!" "That axle looks great" "Yup, great" "That would be great when it's done" "Yup" "We're great together!!""Um. Ryan, Steve..Shouldnt we get some work done?""It'll get done Dave don't worry.Steve did I tell you how great you are?""No, tell me again Ryan!"....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I actually laughed out loud at that.

BigDukeSix
10-31-2008, 03:30 PM
I knew you would.

92YJCBG
10-31-2008, 03:34 PM
sounds like a Leave it to Beaver episode haha

Peccavi18
11-01-2008, 02:43 PM
Stopped at the Mcmurry NAPA, and they don't have/can't get the eldorado calipers that he told me had one of in stock 2 wks ago??? Aparently NOONE has these anymore. Small set back but something will come along I'll keep hunting pirate for a set.

13below0
11-02-2008, 11:29 AM
I will check the napa store up here. The last time I checked they had a pair in stock.

Peccavi18
11-02-2008, 12:17 PM
pirate hooked me up with these links
http://www.4wdfactory.biz/osc2.2/pro...roducts_id=268 (http://www.4wdfactory.biz/osc2.2/pro...roducts_id=268)
http://www.tsmmfg.com/3121.htm

Now if I could just find my phone. For the price the 4wdfactory set up would be awesome for a year till I get the new Transfercase w/e-brake.

Peccavi18
11-06-2008, 03:11 AM
Another night spent working on this beast. :040: I went shopping this week and got a bunch of steel drops and odds and ends of 1/4" plate so we could get the rear suspension finished.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00700.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00695.jpg

Also picked up the new lugnuts which were needed since I swapped hubs and had to get new Dually studs.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00699.jpg

First things first, I notched the drivers side frame rail and cut the crossmember back using the plasma. It took 1/10th the time at most vs using a sawzall and grinder like last time. Then we set the pinion angle and fabbed up all but 2 of the needed brackets for the rear suspension including the fishplates:025:. 1/4 and 3/8"'s throughout, Nothing but overkill here!! There are still a few detail holes to be drilled but other than that they are ready to be cleaned and welded in place. http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00706.jpg

I will say given the opportunity to buy vs fab brackets...buy!! The premades save a ton of time and look better.


Next up was the uppers, Steve showed me the technique for making the corner cuts, pretty slick idea, provides alot of surface for a strong weld. we got one end of each upper welded together. Still need to mount the brackets to get lengths and cut for the other ends.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00702.jpg

Here's us telling each other how great we are:flipoff2:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00703.jpg

that pic sucks here is another

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/IMG00704.jpg

Suspension wise I just need to deciede shock hoops or towers and get shocks if Steve is taking the Bilsteins. Then it's on to brakes, bumper, corners, flares, etc.
Also I'm looking for a new fuel sending unit 97-02 Tj Zj and???(the metal one) I think I'm gonna just try and fix my factory unit for now. If anyone has one lying around let me now.


And when I got home from the shop my front tube adapters from Jason (13below) had shown up. Jason you do realize they are damn near indestructible you don't have to wrap them so well :biggrin:

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/059.jpg

I have a shopping list of parts and work to be done before it's road worthy again but hopefully we can get it mobile here soon, I'm getting antsy to see it's stance off the jack stands.

Peccavi18
11-07-2008, 01:43 AM
Looking for ideas and or inspiration for a custom rear bumper. Was gonna do the 2"x4" 1/4" wall deal but after thinking and looking around I want more. Any and everyone can do that, only requirements will be it needs a 2" reciever to pull the boat and solid attachment and recovery points. I have an idea or 2 floating around now but would like to see some other ideas.

Edit: Low profile would be cool just to help with departure angle.

96greenxjjeep
11-07-2008, 08:23 AM
i have some pic's on my computer but im not on my computer so ill get tham on asap

doublejz
11-07-2008, 05:15 PM
looking good Ryan. You just need to get your jeep outta there so mine can go in. :-P

Peccavi18
11-08-2008, 02:25 AM
Haha, believe me I would love to have mine outta there. Not that I don't like the work that's happening to it but I miss driving it, an economy car just isn't gonna be the same. Hopefully Dave can figure out what is up with your pinion bearing or whatever that is and get you up and running again.

If we make it down there tomorrow we should be able to get mine sitting on it's own weight I would think. So yours might be in there tommorrow already if not I would assume next week at latest.

doublejz
11-08-2008, 01:37 PM
I was just giving you a hard time :-P I had back surgery on thursday and I'm kinda bed ridden at the moment anyway. Gotta wait for the surgeon's ok to even ride in a vehicle and that's looking like a week or so yet. I'm hoping its something as easy as the pinion bearing even tho that has been repaced 3 times already :-/

Peccavi18
11-08-2008, 03:40 PM
Dave told me you were heading in. Hope ya heal soon. When Dave had the diff open you could see something with the bearing, hopefully it's that easy. We didn't make it down there today not sure when we will be down there this week. But mine should be out of the way soon.

john00TJ
11-09-2008, 08:53 PM
Wheres the damn updates ??????????????

MF Steve!
11-09-2008, 09:59 PM
Lots of updates are coming! We did some sick shit this afternoon/evening. Should have the suspension buttoned up in a few hours the next time we go at it. I'll let Ryan an the pix do the talking though!

Peccavi18
11-09-2008, 11:38 PM
As Steve said this thing is just plain stupid fun now, It's super beef.

We got there and first things first Steve started welding on the new upper spring perches and fish plates. 3/8"ths for the perches
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/001-5.jpg

And 1/4 for the Fish plate.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/004-8.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/006-9.jpg

At that point we had to stop and go get a new spool of wire for the Welder, then finished up the other side. and tacked the lower buckets (no pics, same deal)

We borrowed a 14" Bilstein 5150? from Dave's parts for some test fitting. You'd think we built the rear end around that shock. It should fit perfectly frenched into the frame right behind the fish plate. And the shock tower for it will work as a rollcage to frame tie-in.:033:

Next we got into the uppers the critical part of the triangulated 4-link build. We weren't sure of their placement and if the lowers were going to bind on the frame rails so we quickly threw some coil isolaters and bump stops on with the Xj springs to test it out
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/008-9.jpg

Put the weight on it
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/010-8.jpg

Drivers side
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/012-8.jpg

Clearence from tire to the tub is 10.5" looks like I need to find a set of 40"s
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/014-8.jpg

Once we checked ride height clearences we decided it was time to get stupid and see what full compression would be and if the diff would touch the skid or lowers would hit the frame. All the way down
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/022-7.jpg

NO tricks the gas tank is below the axle
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/024-5.jpg

Peccavi18
11-09-2008, 11:47 PM
damnit, deleted the whole post, lets try that again

Peccavi18
11-09-2008, 11:59 PM
That will be really close to full compression we have to add to the bump stops but it gives us an idea any lower and the rear floor and upper links will be one and the same.

Steve is like 6'4" ish
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/016-9.jpg

Actual measurement for compression
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/019-8.jpg


Plenty of room between the framerail and lower link which was an area we were kind of concerned about.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/021-8.jpg
It was at this point as the Jeep was hanging low that the jack decieded to lock up. Luckly after thowing some jackstands under the frame and lower and reraising it We got it to at least lift it back up to put the rocket stands under there.

And I should probably have thrown in the full ride heigh pic just for comparison
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/025-5.jpg

Not bad, dropped an inch and a half from when it was sitting on the 35"s , maybe more once we get some weight like a bumper and full gas tank back there. Best part is it will now fit in a regular garage and I wouldn't have to push the door up that last little bit by hand as I drive in like before.

OverkillZJ
11-10-2008, 12:11 AM
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

MF Steve!
11-10-2008, 12:20 AM
Oh theres more!

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 12:22 AM
Now since we had measurements it was on to the uppers. Only problem here is figuring out anti-squat and all that other fun 4link shit so as a buffer we decieded for adjustable links both frame and axle side, they should allow us to really dial it in. As I'm sure you guessed we had to hand carve these as well

Top and bottom brackets with a Steve curve to them
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/027-3.jpg


What they will look like on the framerail
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/029-2.jpg

I didn't get pics but this bracket now has 2 sets of holes and is marked for a 3rd if we need a middle ground to adjust for whatever.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/032-2.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/030-2.jpg

And the brackets for on the Truss. They have one of the weirdest heavy ist coatings of something on them. They came from the mining industry so... We aren't really sure what it is but the plasma can't cut them for shit and it stinks and clogs the flap wheels when you grind it off.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/033-4.jpg

This week we just have to deciede on a final length for the upper links, weld the brackets all in, and french in the shock mounts. I need to get brakes still, a new fuel pump, and send my Tom woods shaft in to get lengthened. And then we start on the small detail stuff like new brake lines, the crusher corners and flares.

Exhaust is the only real true unknown, everything is up so close to the body that I will prob have my cat and muffler under the skid and have to run a turn down after the skid. That is if my exhaust is even hooked up it's so loose right now I'm pretty sure something at the engine is loose or broken. But that's a problem for later.

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 12:25 AM
Matt, I may want to borrow a 42" from you one day if possible, just to "check something".:biggrin:

MF Steve!
11-10-2008, 12:31 AM
Ryan, find anything more about 4 link shit? I looked at the Poly kit and Clayton kit. Both show the uppers at a very similar location at the frame end. I'm wondering if the 3 1/2" of setback on the bracket for the upper is gonna cause some sort of bad bind. I can't really find anything as far as pictures go that would depict our situation. This is gonna be tricky...

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 12:34 AM
And John if our search continues to suck for local JY Eldo calipers I just got an e-mail from a Pirate regular with 2 possibly 3 sets of them that may or may not need rebuilds he bought and never ran them, they have some rust from sitting, he said to make an offer on them.

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 12:37 AM
I was looking while this site was down over on pirate. I have seen a bunch with a variety of locations but nothing saying how well any of them worked. I am still looking for more info.

If we have to we could push them back almost an inch towards the skid I believe. Not that that is alot but it would be closer, and may help us out.

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 12:51 AM
Found one with pics of a forward mounting location on the upper.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=658879&page=3

I will update this post as I find more

MF Steve!
11-10-2008, 01:03 AM
Found one with pics of a forward mounting location on the upper.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=658879&page=3

I will update this post as I find more

That doesn't say much...the way he sleeved through the frame freaks me the fcuk out. The more I look at the way I made the frame end mounts for the UCA's, the more I like them. I can't think of many improvements as far as strength goes with the design.

Theres really no feedback in that thread as far as functionality goes with the upper being mounted ahead of the lower. Can you plug all that shit in on the 4 link calculator?

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 01:10 AM
sure we could but, our sprung and unsprung weights would just be random guesses at this point as would alot of other things like wheelbase. Give me a second and I'll see if I even have a valid msoffice on this comp.

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 01:31 AM
Kirby's build for the win!!!
post 18 http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551947 you can see in the pic he has his way back the frame and is using the RE skid for the lowers
This is the dude I bought the gas tank off of. Just happened to pull up his link and there it was


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=568250 post 20 and 30, another deffinate spread on the rear link mounting points.


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451569 post 23 with adjustable uppers

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501250&page=2 bottom of the page
another build where upper is 3 or so inches forward and he talks about the adjustables and effects.

MF Steve!
11-10-2008, 01:36 AM
Sweet. I think we're good...just gonna have to adjust the vertical separation as needed. Check how his shocks are mounted...may be a more straight forward option.

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 01:44 AM
was just looking at his shocks vs http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=590307&page=2 post 46

Peccavi18
11-10-2008, 01:56 AM
And for everyone looking to go big, this is the link of all links. There are more pics and tech in here than I can even attempt to comprehend. Alot of it can be cross referenced onto alot of other rigs as well

Ultimate TJ Build Ups and Swaps thread (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578353)

JeepGeneral
11-11-2008, 08:52 PM
Are you worried about the difference between upper and lower link length or the positioning of the brackets (or both, they go hand in hand I guess).

I was searching "link length" last week on Pirate for a 3 link front and came to the conclusion that you want the uppers and lowers as close to the same length as possible to prevent binding. I found that most of them weren't perfect but were within a few inches, which was good enough.

MF Steve!
11-11-2008, 09:39 PM
I think we're going to be within about 3/4" to 1" More worried about the bracket position/clearance against the tub. Being that the 14b with truss is so tall, there is a minimal amount of clearance for up-travel. Although there isn't a whole hell of a lot of up travel, and the majority of the motion will be minimal since its at the center of the axle, I think there is still going to be some tub-notch involved.

Peccavi18
11-11-2008, 11:06 PM
Lenght for the lca was 36" and the uppers was 36.5" so we should be fine. I bought more crimp lock nuts and bolts, to put the bumpstops on the lower spring perches. That should help the tub and truss tab contact. Only thing we should be looking at contact wise would be the uppers and the step in teh tub for the back seat.
btw- John wants to know rocker height and frame rail height when sitting on the springs. He thinks he can get his jeep lower.:overkill:

MF Steve!
11-11-2008, 11:20 PM
I think we're passing him up as far as timelines go! Oh, and if we have to clearance the tub for the UCA's, I have a good idea. You'll just have to wait and see!

Peccavi18
11-11-2008, 11:23 PM
Time lines we are blowing him away, although he has some big suprises comming or so he says.
I am looking for fuel pumps right now. anyone have any input on any of them .ie the advanced auto one is SHIT!!!

MF Steve!
11-11-2008, 11:35 PM
Surprises, eh? I think the Bosch would be your best bet. They cost double or something close to it though...

john00TJ
11-12-2008, 09:03 AM
timeline whats that ,i have a girlfriend and a 19months old kid i have no time ..LOL..and to boot now is busy time at work with all the deer jumping the roads so i am loaded there and at home with side work ..jeep is kinda of on a hold but parts will continue to flow..

Suprises ,yeah there should be a few neat things coming up if all falls together

Peccavi18
11-13-2008, 01:35 AM
So today was a productive day, got up and called about getting steel for my crusher corners. Steel is cheap right now so I bought a whole sheet 4'x8' of 3/16" Called up Steve and by chance he was off and we went and picked it up, he knew of a fab shop that does bending and we stopped by and they are gonna do the rear tub radius for me. If these work out I think we will be producing a few more sets. Then this afternoon we headed to the shop.

First thing was getting measurements for the upper control arms as luck would have it...36" EXACTLY the same as the lowers. Got those going and on to other pieces.

I prepped the frame for the brackets and Steve welded them up.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/002-8.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/003-8.jpg


They turned out perfect, they slid over the frame perfectly
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/004-9.jpg

Brackets on the frame and welded.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/005-9.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/006-10.jpg

I can't help but smile at the beef of this thing and how luck has just worked out on all the small shit.
Once the frame brackets were solid we threw some tacks on the tabs on the truss just to check for binding. It went throughout the paces with out a bind, should flex like crazy.

Vertical seperation at the axle 9" using the top hole or 8" using the lower hole.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/007-10.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/009-9.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/010-9.jpg

And every time i'm in a pic I'm holed up under the heep working on the rear end???
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/008-10.jpg

OverkillZJ
11-13-2008, 01:50 AM
I should've stayed around longer, looks sick.

Peccavi18
11-13-2008, 02:01 AM
Cycled up with no springs, first thing to touch are the upper control arms. Although the springs will have to bottom completely out for this to happen...
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/012-9.jpg

Plenty of room at the truss
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/014-9.jpg

decieded to throw the springs on and see how it all looked.
Lowest point at ride height with springs
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/016-10.jpg

to the frame
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/018-9.jpg


Time to add some tires just to see if all clearences were still ok.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/019-9.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/021-9.jpg

Tires stick out 7.25" from the bare tub. Not bad at all. pretty sure my old tires were out 7"
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/023-9.jpg

clearence to the axle
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/024-6.jpg

and to the boat anchor diff
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/025-6.jpg



And just because I'm amazed that it all worked out and fits
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/020-9.jpg

next time will be cutting the corner blanks and welding the axle brackets. And I may work on getting the d60 cut down the rest of the way so we can start gears on it soon. I really want to have this thing ready to wheel by spring. But the shop has alot of jobs comming in and mine has been in the way awhile so we'll see.

Ragnorox
11-13-2008, 02:02 AM
Damn Ryan looking good, sweet welds Steve!

Peccavi18
11-13-2008, 02:10 AM
Thanks guys, it's really comming together. We were trying to figure out how much time we have into it and we guestimated it to be less than 40hrs each, so say 80hrs total. I'm very impressed.

Only thing I am thinking about changing on what we have done is the possibily of a hole on the bottom of the upper control bracket just as a drain for mud and shit.

john00TJ
11-13-2008, 08:44 AM
i have 2.5 more inches diff clearance ..LOL ...Looks good man

joshs1ofakindxj
11-13-2008, 12:15 PM
Looks badass! Wheres the exhaust going to run?

doublejz
11-13-2008, 02:38 PM
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/009-9.jpg

I'd say the exhaust looks good how it is. :-P

MF Steve!
11-13-2008, 02:46 PM
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/peccavi18/My%20build%2008/009-9.jpg

I'd say the exhaust looks good how it is. :-P

Pretty much where its gonna stay. I think he said something about moving the cat forward, and stufing a Hush Power muffler in there with a turndown on the end. Thats probably what I would do too.

BigDukeSix
11-13-2008, 03:49 PM
You guys are doing a great job.