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OverkillZJ
10-06-2008, 11:46 PM
Not in the fun way.

It blows my mind that some of you don't seem to understand the root of the problem with this "crisis."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_597487 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_597487)

notmYJ
10-08-2008, 03:08 AM
wow. and all this time the media has saying its all Bush's fault.

BigDukeSix
10-08-2008, 06:29 AM
There are about ten mamals left in this country who think GW is a great President and not to blame for any of the mess we are in. Seven of them are on PGHOR. The other three are DICK, Barney and Miss Beazley...

BigDukeSix
10-08-2008, 07:55 AM
WAIT!! This just in...CNN reports that the sincerity of Barney and Mrs. Beazley's support is at question. It appears their loyalty was bought with copious amounts of Beggin Strips and Bonz.
So that leaves DICK and the seven PHGORer's as the only Americans left who love what GW has done for this country in the past eight years.

Someone must have some oil stocks we don't know about.

XJchris98
10-08-2008, 09:05 AM
WAIT!! This just in...CNN reports that the sincerity of Barney and Mrs. Beazley's support is at question. It appears their loyalty was bought with copious amounts of Beggin Strips and Bonz.
So that leaves DICK and the seven PHGORer's as the only Americans left who love what GW has done for this country in the past eight years.

Someone must have some oil stocks we don't know about.

Wait... no quote from your sisters friends, cousin, twice removed, neighbors mom, who lives down the street to prove this? :lame:

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 09:07 AM
Wow, I never said Bush was a "great" president.

Only a liberal can skew something that much :overkill:

notmYJ
10-08-2008, 09:18 AM
Well Matt, thats how they work. They take what is written, pretend it says what they don't want it to say, then attack others on what it didn't say.

TimMichaels
10-08-2008, 09:31 AM
Well Matt, thats how they work. They take what is written, pretend it says what they don't want it to say, then attack others on what it didn't say.

That's a universal tactic :ninja:

notmYJ
10-08-2008, 09:46 AM
Yeah, isn't it.:043:

sb406
10-08-2008, 11:46 AM
That's a universal tactic :ninja:

I resemble that remark. (My last name is Universal)

While I agree with the video, I will add this-
It's very easy to play the blame game now. It's also very easy to pin a crisis on the government and corporations after the fact. Especially a government and corporations that are top heavy. It's real easy to say "I don't trust the government and banks. They did this to me." Why did you trust them when they offered you a loan that you knew you couldn't pay for? How could people NOT see this coming during the housing boom? People were taking out less than interest loans! That's just retarded on the part of both the banks and the home "owners". What goes up must come down.

I will play devils advocate here and bring in the topic of free trade, because it's related. Hate to say it, but thank Regan for part of the situation we're in. The United States was self-sufficient. We never should have let jobs leave this country. By eliminating tariffs, the working class was destroyed. If people can't work for decent pay, they can't afford a house, no matter how much you tell them that they can. The only people who have been benefiting from the govenment's actions since the 60's have been the people up top. the sub-prime lending fiasco was a band aid.

Once we're done blaming people and feeling butt-hurt from our bad decisions, we need to start looking at solutions. Adding more money up top is not going to do it. The foundation of this country (the people) has been undermined. If the government is not careful, it will end up following the same path that their partners in corruption on Wall street have. I think that some "New Deal" type projects (maybe to repair all of the aging sh*t built during the New Deal Era) would kick start things from the bottom up.

Long story short- In order for things to get better, IT MUST GET WORSE. No REAL change will happen until the whole system hits rock bottom.

psychobilly
10-08-2008, 01:42 PM
Wow, I never said Bush was a "great" president.

Only a liberal can skew something that much

Funny, really freakin funny! So if you oppose Bush your "liberal" but if you say he's good your liberal...and on top of it only a liberal can skew something that much..haha. Thats a good one, spoken like a true conservative.

Liberalism: a political ideology that seeks to maximize individual liberties.
Sounds pretty stinkin good to me.

Liberals stand for education, FREE MARKETS!!!! and a limited state government via STRONG CIVIL LIBERTIES!!!!!
Sounds pretty good to me again.



Conservative: its hard to define so I'll just give an example of a government that calls itself "conservative". UAE Dubai. Sure, they dont tax the wealthy but at the same time if you have sex out of marriage there you will be tossed in jail. Get caught drinking? you better hope your American.

Wrecker
10-08-2008, 01:52 PM
I thought the US was based on strong State rights while limiting the Fed powers? Of course that has been out the door since the civil war.

Muzikman
10-08-2008, 02:07 PM
I thought the US was based on strong State rights while limiting the Fed powers? Of course that has been out the door since the civil war.

Wow, someone who actually understands what those guys who were writing the Constitution were thinking!

HoodRN
10-08-2008, 02:26 PM
George Bush is WAY too left wing for me...

Shodan
10-08-2008, 02:57 PM
[quote=psychobilly;124598]
Liberalism: a political ideology that seeks to maximize individual liberties.
Sounds pretty stinkin good to me.

Liberals stand for education, FREE MARKETS!!!! and a limited state government via STRONG CIVIL LIBERTIES!!!!!
Sounds pretty good to me again.

quote]

There's a HUGE difference between the literal definition of the word liberal and the current political group, mostly democrats, now known as liberals.

See, Liberals can even mess up the meaning of a good word.:smirk:

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 03:05 PM
Funny, really freakin funny! So if you oppose Bush your "liberal" but if you say he's good your liberal...and on top of it only a liberal can skew something that much..haha. Thats a good one, spoken like a true conservative.

Liberalism: a political ideology that seeks to maximize individual liberties.
Sounds pretty stinkin good to me.

Liberals stand for education, FREE MARKETS!!!! and a limited state government via STRONG CIVIL LIBERTIES!!!!!
Sounds pretty good to me again.



Conservative: its hard to define so I'll just give an example of a government that calls itself "conservative". UAE Dubai. Sure, they dont tax the wealthy but at the same time if you have sex out of marriage there you will be tossed in jail. Get caught drinking? you better hope your American.


You're really weird.

BigDukeSix
10-08-2008, 03:17 PM
Here's your quote of the day Chris.

Remarks by the President at Bush-Cheney 2004 Luncheon
Sheraton Birmingham Hotel

A compassionate society must provide -- promote opportunity for all, and that includes the independence and dignity that come from ownership. This administration will constantly promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their home. We've got home ownership -- a minority home ownership gap in America. I've submitted a plan to Congress to close that gap.

We want more people owning their own health care plans and managing their own health care plans. We want people to manage and own their own retirement accounts. We want more people owning their own small business. We understand that when a person owns something, he or she has a vital stake in the future of America. (Applause.) In a compassionate society, people respect one another, respect their points of view. And they take responsibility for the decisions they make. The culture of America is changing from one that has said, if it feels good, do it, and if you've got a problem, blame somebody else, to a new culture in which each of us understands we are responsible for the decisions we make in life. If you are fortunate enough to be a mom or a dad, you're responsible for loving your child with all your heart. (Applause.) If you are concerned about the quality of the education in the community in which you live, you're responsible for doing something about it. If you're a CEO in corporate America, you're responsible for telling the truth to your shareholders and your employees. (Applause.)

Hardy fawkin' har har. Where's my Republican party pin? Sign me up for some of that CEO truth and responsibility!!!

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 03:18 PM
I can't take it... How you can claim liberalism in its current form stands for "personal liberties" and "free markets" just blows my mind.

Liberalism has become Socialism, and conservatives are not really conservative any more.

TimMichaels
10-08-2008, 03:29 PM
Realistically liberalism and conervativism apply to two very seperate scales: social and economic. Being left on one does not always make you left on the other, nor does right imply you are doubly right. Otherwise, idealogies tend to be somewhat conflicted.

Personally, I am socially very liberal but economically I'm much more moderate (though still a bit left.)

If being socially liberal makes me automatically a socialist, then all of you who are economically conservative must be facists.

BigDukeSix
10-08-2008, 03:31 PM
Here Barney!!! Here Matt!!! Here Miss Beazley!!! Time for your Reagan, eerrrrr, Beggin' Strips!!! Time to drink the Kool Aid!!!!

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 03:32 PM
What the fuc.k is that supposed to mean?

BigDukeSix
10-08-2008, 03:49 PM
Forget it. It only reminds me that what I am making reference to occurred before you were born. For that, I apologize and in the future I will try to stick with more MTVish references in an attempt to try and keep you kids attention.

My first attempt: Hey Matt, did you see the latest on Brittany? She's crazy and she likes McCain/Palin too!

Shodan
10-08-2008, 03:52 PM
Realistically liberalism and conervativism apply to two very seperate scales: social and economic. Being left on one does not always make you left on the other, nor does right imply you are doubly right. Otherwise, idealogies tend to be somewhat conflicted.

Personally, I am socially very liberal but economically I'm much more moderate (though still a bit left.)

If being socially liberal makes me automatically a socialist, then all of you who are economically conservative must be facists.

Unfortunately most liberal social idealogies adversely affect moderates and conservatives economically.

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 03:53 PM
Sorry, I was never a fan of MTV either, let alone that retarded blonde, and like to avoid brain washing of all kinds.

I have a feeling if I had any idea to what you were originally making reference too, I'd still fail to see the relevance.

BigDukeSix
10-08-2008, 03:57 PM
Yeah, I understand. It's only history. We learn nothing from that.

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 03:59 PM
If you have a point to make, then attempt to make it. I like history, and feel it is important.

That does not mean I know all of it, let alone some random reference with lots of !!!!!!!!!!! that looks like it's a spam subject line written by a third grader.

BigDukeSix
10-08-2008, 04:09 PM
Ow.. Me hurt.

I think the site name should change to "Welcome to PGHnotOR-where members line up, believe what I believe, get mercilessly heckled or get the fawk out".

Does anyone actually wheel around here? It would be nice to see some threads about that for a change. Oh, wait, this is a motorcycle forum !

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 04:37 PM
Ow.. Me hurt.

I think the site name should change to "Welcome to PGHnotOR-where members line up, believe what I believe, get mercilessly heckled or get the fawk out".

Does anyone actually wheel around here? It would be nice to see some threads about that for a change. Oh, wait, this is a motorcycle forum !

You're not hurt, you're looking for buttons to push.

You're also in a forum called "political asylum" which was created for the sole purpose of keeping the posts here seperate from what this site is really about.

You have every right to ignore it.

BigDukeSix
10-08-2008, 04:42 PM
Oh, ok. I stand corrected. You dont like to push anyone's buttons Matt?

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 04:42 PM
Nope, that comes naturally!

Bird_Flu
10-08-2008, 05:09 PM
Nope, that comes naturally!
x10,000 Matt has a natural ability to push people's buttons.