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OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 09:27 AM
It doesn't matter what candidate wins, I've decided they're both idiots.

If I vote for either of the big two, it'll be McCain. In my lifetime I have not been able to vote for anybody I actually like.

Anyone who wins, will be a president with their hands tied behind their back.

sb406
10-08-2008, 11:53 AM
TRUTH!

I was just thinking about that myself.

I'd really like to vote McCain. He's got experience. However, that experience is in a system that has screwed us over and over.

Obama seems younger and fresh. Offering "Change". However, in reality, he's just offering the catch word that people want to hear. Will he actually do anything?

They're both full of shit.

I'd vote for Nader, but that hippie killed the Corvair, just to make a name for himself. I can't forgive that.

Bird_Flu
10-08-2008, 11:57 AM
Everyone remember, when it comes down to it the President very rarely can enact any policy without the morons in congress. He can however screw us in the foreign relations department, I wonder which candidate has more foreign relations experience.

notmYJ
10-08-2008, 01:00 PM
As it is, was, and always will be, it will come down to the lesser of two evils. The problem is that the two evils are so close that the line has been blurred.

psychobilly
10-08-2008, 01:49 PM
I've decided they're both idiots


We agree on something again. Obama had my vote until he supported these bailouts. I'd still take obama over mccain any day of the week so its even more difficult. To bad the conservative news media killed Ron Paul before people were actually able to take him seriously. If he was in a debate tomorrow he would be our next president, hands down.

Muzikman
10-08-2008, 02:03 PM
I am not looking at it as a lesser of two evils, I am looking at which one scares the shit out of me the least...and well, that is McCain.

OverkillZJ
10-08-2008, 03:24 PM
Obama and Ron Paul are SOOO far apart, I'm trying to figure out how you have one following the other in your choices.

gonecheenin
10-08-2008, 04:36 PM
It doesn't matter what candidate wins, I've decided they're both idiots.

If I vote for either of the big two, it'll be McCain. In my lifetime I have not been able to vote for anybody I actually like.

Anyone who wins, will be a president with their hands tied behind their back.


What he said


I did read some interesting things on that Ron Paul dude - too bad the government/media "voted" him out before anyone could vote him in

aquaholic
10-08-2008, 05:33 PM
obamas stance on guns and gun control is enough to make me vote for mcaine.

highlandercj-7
10-08-2008, 06:52 PM
obamas stance on guns and gun control is enough to make me vote for mcaine.

Guns and his views on the Military, um I say hell no. He has no experience compaired to McCain and he was never in the Military. I can't vote for someone that will not fight for there country.:018:

Ronin152
10-08-2008, 10:53 PM
I know McCain has been through alot and is older (72 I think?) but when the dude speaks it just seems like he doesn't make any sense at all and all you hear is ummm ahhhh ahhh ummm. He seems to pause alot when he talks and his style of speech is just very choppy and has no motovation to it. On the other hand Obama comes across as very cool, calm, and collected. Not saying this is the basis for a president to be elected but just look at Hitler he was an amazing speaker and he got shit done.

BigDukeSix
10-09-2008, 08:56 AM
just look at Hitler he was an amazing speaker and he got shit done.


That's one way of putting it. Roughly 72 million dead people would be one way of saying he got things done I guess.

sb406
10-09-2008, 09:35 AM
That's one way of putting it. Roughly 72 million dead people would be one way of saying he got things done I guess.

And he brought his battered country to become a world power while developing much of the technology we enjoy today. I'm not saying that he was a good guy. I'm just agreeing that he got shit done.

BigDukeSix
10-09-2008, 09:36 AM
Come to think of it, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan had a unique way of motivating people as well.

BigDukeSix
10-09-2008, 09:37 AM
And he brought his battered country to become a world power while developing much of the technology we enjoy today. I'm not saying that he was a good guy. I'm just agreeing that he got shit done.


I'm sure the Jews would agree with that. What a truly assinine thing to say.

OverkillZJ
10-09-2008, 09:40 AM
There's no doubt Hitler was a great leader, there's entire college courses built around studying his leadership.

Great leaders can do great things, that doesn't make them GOOD things. Overall the world would have been a better place if he were never born, but you can't deny to do what he did, he figured out some way to make folks follow him, blindly or not.

sb406
10-09-2008, 09:48 AM
I'm not defending Hitler for killing millions of people. Obviously, that was a horrible part of his reign. All I was saying was that he was good at motivating and leading his country. Him killing the Jews had nothing to do with his leadership skills.

Do a little research. You'll find out that a lot of stuff we use every day came out of Nazi Germany. History is written by the victors.

Muzikman
10-09-2008, 09:49 AM
I did my Sr year thesis on Hitler. Yes, he was a very evil person, but in his craziness there was a lot of genius too. He used propaganda more successfully than anyone else in history. He knew that power could be gained through the printed media. I can only imagine what it would have been like if there was a TV in every household back then.

I also find it rather odd that he wanted to unite Europe and people fought and died to prevent it...and here we sit...with the EU. That was Hitlers plan.

sb406
10-09-2008, 09:50 AM
Come to think of it, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan had a unique way of motivating people as well.

Still, all memorable leaders.

Ronin152
10-09-2008, 10:38 AM
By no means was I talking about the holocaust. I just meant that Hitler with his oratory / leadership skills was able to gain the support of the German people along with rebuilding Germany and also being dominant in foreign affairs. I just meant to say that I could see Obama being the president more than McCain due to his ability of being a better speaker. I don't think Obama is nessecarily better in all aspects just that he has better speaking / motovation skills.

Muzikman
10-09-2008, 10:53 AM
Just being a good speaker though does not make you a good leader.

BigDukeSix
10-09-2008, 11:08 AM
Hitler preyed on his countries angers and fears of external and internal boogeymen and succeeded through fear, intimidation, murder and oppression.
His genius lead almost to the destruction of Germany as a country, over 7 million German people dead (about 10% of the Geman population in 1939). 6 million Jews murdered. I've also read that it is estimated that so many women were raped by the Soviets as they came through East Prussia and into Germany itself that the majority of females between 10 and 80 were and 2 million women had illegal abortions between 1945 and 1948. If it wasnt for the Western Allies securing as much land as they did and subsequently the Marshall plan, who knows what would have become of Germany?

Some genius.

OverkillZJ
10-09-2008, 11:17 AM
I, again, don't get your point. Genius does not mean good. Genius does not mean successful. Genius means ingenuity to the point of doing something huge in a fashion that hasn't been done. Hitler is a piece of shit and a poor excuse for a human being, but he knew how to reach people to do his evil deeds.

BigDukeSix
10-09-2008, 11:43 AM
Hitler's genius was in using people's fear of what they had little understanding for, i.e. the Jews. Preying upon the anger of their mistreatment at the end of World War I. Using thuggery and murder as a political tool. The German people bought it lock, stock and barrel and blindly followed his genius into utter destruction. And you dont get my point? Genius doesnt lead to utter destruction or failure Matt. It leads to victory or success.
Again, you oppose my view for the sake of opposition. Hitler is a genius becaue he was a good motivator?! You got to be fawking kidding.

Lives of nations are determined, not by the count of
years, but by the lifetime of the human spirit.
The life of a man is three score years and ten,
a little more, a little less. But the life of a
nation is the fullness of it's will to live.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt- pure genius.

The supreme quality for leadership is unquestionably integrity. Without it, no real success is possible, no matter whether it is on a section gang, a football field, in an army, or in an office.
Eisenhower, big brass balls and all, was a genius.

Hitler was no genius.

BigDukeSix
10-09-2008, 11:44 AM
You don't get my point. Please spare me.

Muzikman
10-09-2008, 11:46 AM
I think you just like to argue don't you?

BigDukeSix
10-09-2008, 11:50 AM
Well, yeah. Not really. Sometimes. I don't know.

I think its in my blood.

Fawk!!! I need a project...

OverkillZJ
10-09-2008, 11:58 AM
Let's just leave it in agreement that you need a project, feel free to go work on any of the three disabled vehicles in my driveway I don't have time for right now :overkill:

BigDukeSix
10-09-2008, 12:29 PM
Believe this Matt, all political dumb shit aside, that would be, without a doubt, the best thing in the world for me right now.

Ronin152
10-09-2008, 12:38 PM
As overkillzj said, genius can't really be evaluated based on good or bad but rather on effectiveness at achieving a goal. I mean dam you got to have something about you to convince people to kill others.

psychobilly
10-10-2008, 03:15 PM
Hitler preyed on his countries angers and fears of external and internal boogeymen and succeeded through fear, intimidation, murder and oppression


Agree on all points but you forgot religion. I guess it could fit in the fears catagory though. The termoil that resulted post depression set the stage for hitlers rise to power. Was it that he was a great leader though or was it that there were to many dumb people. If the people of Germany were more liberal at the time, the question posed right now would be "hitler who?"

DMG
10-12-2008, 03:21 PM
Agree on all points but you forgot religion. I guess it could fit in the fears catagory though. The termoil that resulted post depression set the stage for hitlers rise to power. Was it that he was a great leader though or was it that there were to many dumb people. If the people of Germany were more liberal at the time, the question posed right now would be "hitler who?"

Imagine if people in this country were more liberal at the time.

BigDukeSix
10-12-2008, 08:20 PM
Imagine if people in this country were more liberal at the time.

Yeah, we wouldnt have waited for the Japs to bomb Pearl Harbor to go on a wholesale ass kicking spree being the isolationist conservatives that we were then. You think the genocide of the Jewish popultio of Europe would have been enough for a ultra conservativer nation to act.
And all the ultra conservative compassion of the Marshall plan too. Being the ultra conservatives that we were we should have burned every house to the ground in Japan then. You wouldnt be enjoying all that Japanese shit you own now.

:finger:

DMG
10-12-2008, 08:34 PM
If people and politicians in the US were as liberal as they are now, they would have sabotaged the war effort and we would have lost.

OverkillZJ
10-13-2008, 10:13 AM
Yup.

Outatime
10-19-2009, 09:36 PM
We should all stop comparing Obama to Hitler. At least Hitler got the Olympics to come to Berlin.

tjblair
10-19-2009, 09:41 PM
Holy year later.

limegreentj
10-19-2009, 09:42 PM
Holy year later.

x2

Outatime
10-19-2009, 10:06 PM
What can I say, I'm bored :D

limegreentj
10-19-2009, 10:08 PM
lol me too...im sitting here waiting for people to bring up year old threads :rolleyes:

haha

OverkillZJ
10-20-2009, 09:02 AM
Year later, and Obama is worse than I imagined. He's a jackass.

limegreentj
10-20-2009, 09:20 AM
lol truth

gonecheenin
10-20-2009, 02:20 PM
Year later, and Obama is worse than I imagined. He's a jackass.


Not even funny truth right there.

Outatime
10-24-2009, 10:56 PM
I had initially thought he was a socialist. Wow was I wrong. He's a facist.

jim91303
10-29-2009, 11:42 PM
he's a public eye ! while he's out showin his ugle mug on talk shows and visits all over ..... who is running this nation ? how can he acheave his goals if he's not in DC gettin r done ? he's a moron. i didnt vote for him .... thank god!

Mccain may not have been better but if he would have won we could kick his dumb ass out and let Palin do the job.

Sam 09
10-30-2009, 07:15 AM
These government elected folks obviously have no annual job evaluations like most of us do in the working world. They do not seem to be held accountable for managing our funds effectively and if we ran our check books the way they handle our tax's there would be NO ONE to help bail us out... This entire situation is a joke and embarrassment for a supposed world leading country. Yet they mysteriously continue to get "voted" in term after term. Can you tell that this tread has stuck a cord w/me!

Lumpy
10-30-2009, 09:18 AM
Here is an interesting link. If you were not upset before I know you will be now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

mrdylanr
10-30-2009, 09:30 AM
I am sure this happens everywhere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG6X-xtVask

Lumpy
10-30-2009, 09:56 AM
Isn't that just lovely...

I have a feeling that this is the beginning of the end. Everything is snowballing so quickly most folks cannot keep up with what is happening let alone sort through all the lies. I will admit that before the past, well 2 years, I have not really followed the govt and what all is/was going on. But now I’m watching more closely and learning quickly and I’m not liking what I’m seeing.

The lies go on and on…I don’t understand how they can manipulate the Constitution and or blatantly disregard it. Hell this schmuck in office should not even be allowed to be a senator let alone be acting pres. He does not even qualify for the job by our “Constitution” he is does not qualify~!@!!

Christopher
10-30-2009, 11:01 AM
Best thing you can do is wake people up. Bring politics up in normal converstions. most people are too focused on day to day worries to realize what they are loosing.

allot of friends have become politically active just by informing them of what is going on.

This administration and congress, czars and advisors are commumnist/marxist/progressive revolutionaries and there time is now.

Sam 09
11-04-2009, 06:38 AM
Politics - what a great way to start the day! And did you hear: the boy mayor of PGH got re-elected.... won w/a 55% vote.

BigDukeSix
11-04-2009, 07:22 AM
I love it when the suburbanites chirp about Pittsburgh politics.

Go mow the grass Sam i am.

Wrecker
11-04-2009, 09:43 AM
Go mow the grass Sam i am.

I have something you can mow.

2002wranglerX
11-04-2009, 10:15 AM
Politics - what a great way to start the day! And did you hear: the boy mayor of PGH got re-elected.... won w/a 55% vote.

yup, the zombies lined up and clicked D

sad. maybe we'll get some more trash cans though!

OverkillZJ
11-04-2009, 10:48 AM
I love it when the suburbanites chirp about Pittsburgh politics.

Go mow the grass Sam i am.

It effects us as as much as it effects you. Without the suburbanites, Pittsburgh wouldn't survive.

Muzikman
11-04-2009, 12:45 PM
That's not necessarily true. He was on the Republican ballet as well as the Democratic ballet, which I think is not right. So if the Republicans walked in and vote republican across the board, they voted for Luke too.


yup, the zombies lined up and clicked D

sad. maybe we'll get some more trash cans though!

2002wranglerX
11-04-2009, 04:17 PM
That's not necessarily true. He was on the Republican ballet as well as the Democratic ballet, which I think is not right. So if the Republicans walked in and vote republican across the board, they voted for Luke too.

wow REALLY...hmmm

Muzikman
11-04-2009, 04:52 PM
Yep.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_628666.html



wow REALLY...hmmm

ridgerunner97
11-04-2009, 04:54 PM
That is not right, you get granny in there voting a straight ticket and wind up voting for dipshit too, it probably suckered other voters too.

Deadman 94 xj
11-04-2009, 04:54 PM
That's not necessarily true. He was on the Republican ballet as well as the Democratic ballet, which I think is not right. So if the Republicans walked in and vote republican across the board, they voted for Luke too.

That's true. I noticed it too.

Muzikman
11-04-2009, 05:29 PM
I will say one thing, besides being stupid, Luke hasn't really screwed up much in Pittsburgh. As much as I like growth, a lot of the financial problems this city is facing is because Murphy went on an no holds bard spending spree in the 90's.

ridgerunner97
11-04-2009, 05:39 PM
^ agreed

Deadman 94 xj
11-05-2009, 01:34 AM
Also agreed. He is stupid though :)

Outatime
11-09-2009, 10:28 PM
I just wish I were clever enough to come up with a solution to this problem. I think that I'm not so shocked that there is a progressive socialist involved in politics as Obama clearly is... as I am shocked at the fact that the population of the United States has become SO blind and Nihilistic that they voted him into office. Freedom ISN'T the easy path. It's the hard path! It's the path of self reliance. It's the path of hard work. It's responsibility for your own actions.

I guess anymore when we're populated with a bunch of people that would rather just wait for the government to fix their problems... hard work winds up being a hard sell.

edit: Just keep stocking up on ammo. That's the only answer I've come up with :D

Deadman 94 xj
11-10-2009, 02:08 AM
...you won't need any ammo. The panty wearin, pansy assed, flipflop wearin, Dave Mathews listening, coffee shop hangerouter-in, fags that this country is turning into would never put up a fight, let along give you guys reason to use fire arms. This country isn't what it used to be. As the days go on we're becoming more and more comparable to canada. And they have better fishing!

Thank God for our military. But then again they want to erase the "don't ask-don't tell" policy. <shakes head> I can see where this will go. I'm all for the rights of others but give me a fuggin break.

Christopher
11-10-2009, 09:03 AM
Here is a small part of what you have to worry about.

Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/09/taking_liberties/entry5595506.shtml?tag=mncol;txt