I dont have a CCWP or LCTF. I dont have an option to conceal. I dont do it to draw attention, make a statement, educate anyone or just because I can.
I can legally get one. I dont need one since I am legally allowed to open carry.
I dont have a CCWP or LCTF. I dont have an option to conceal. I dont do it to draw attention, make a statement, educate anyone or just because I can.
I can legally get one. I dont need one since I am legally allowed to open carry.
But only as long as you are walking from your home. to legally transport in a vehicle, you would have to unload, case, and be on your way to one of the few restricted points of destination as in the PA Uniform Firearms Act.
So unless you only go out on foot, you would be breaking the law.
In WV (Where I live) you can OC in a vehicle without restriction.
When I travel into PA or through I unload and case it until Im at my destination.
If (which I try to avoid at all costs) I travel to Md (insert other restrictive states here) I leave it at home.
Traveling through MD is sketchy with a firearm to say the least. I lock and separate, but still has me nervous.
I dont even want to get into the conversation I had with the Md State Police about carrying in a vehicle.
Woman's movement in the 60's and 70's. A VERY respectable cause.
BUT, lets face it, sometimes the bra is better left on.
My point? Use your judgment. I didn't watch the OP but I've got an idea. The reality is that there is a place for everything and that's because people are stupid. People being stupid is the NUMBER 1 reason for many issues today, especially when it comes to rights being taken away.
Control of the masses. The world caters to idiots. Big brother steps in and does all it knows how to do... What the hell else is new.
I respect those that exercise their rights but to think you're going to do it in downtown pittsburgh, a place where shootings occur at random quite a few times a year, and not get any special attention from the people in charge of cleaning up those shootings, is a bit naive. Again, stupid people ruining it for the rest of us.
But hey, if you're willing to go out of your way to do what's within your rights even though it runs against the "norms", more power to you. A line must be drawn somewhere right?
I agree with the right to OC and think its sad whenever ANY right gets taken away, but I also feel that there is a bit of common sense that must be involved and I can think of a handfull of people I know personally that I'm glad aren't armed.
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Great post except for the androgynous/boy in the second row center of the picture.... I mean not everyone is a looker in the top picture.. but there are redeming qualities to all (boobs) but thats sorta sketch. ohh and good points too I agree.
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I am a huge advocate of the 2nd amendment, I also think that there is a time and a place to carry a firearm. OC is legal, that doesn't mean that it isn't going to have law enforcement providing you with a little more attention because you may choose to do it. Hell, if someone is practing their right to open carry they are certainly going to be on my radar while in my presence. It is a safety issue from the law enforcement officers position. You have no idea what the guys intentions are. You have no idea what he is up to, or why he would take the stance of OC vs. the traditional concealed carry approach that is much more socially acceptable.
I carry all the time. The only time you see me with a visibly exposed firearm is when I am working. If I am not in uniform, but still working with an exposed firearm, then my badge is right next to my holster. Why? To prevent the panic associated with the random "guy with a gun" as seen by the public. I agree that while OC is legal, it isn't necessarily smart. It causes attention to be drawn to the person wearing the firearm. Most of them have the drama queen thing going on anyway. They walk around screaming "Look at me, I'm exercising my right to carry a gun!" Like I said, drama queens. Why not just take the time to get the permit to concealed carry and do just that? The whole point of having the firearm is self protection at that point. While granted, it may make the bad guy think "I don't want problems with him, he has a gun." It may also make the bad guy just walk up and shoot the guy OCing and take the risk to himself out of the equation. The dynamic is levels upon levels deep.
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Yup, I've never taken a class that deals with those types of subjects either. It might be because a lot of the students here don't intend on being a LEO after graduation, so the university doesn't seem a need for the class, especially since I'm sure that it is taught in the academy.
I grew up in a state that doesn't have OC or CC. So when I moved out west it took me some time to get used to people OCing. But now I don't give it a second glance. I notice it, But I do not go running to the phone to call the cops. Why can the police, or 911 operator not just explain that OC is legal? You don't see people calling the cops to report every person that walks out of a bar, thinking that tey may get in to a car. Unitl they get in to a car or become disorderly. they have done nothing wrong
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I agree. Boobs speak clearly. I figured it would help get my point accross to the hard -o-hearing.
To touch on my comment about "stupid" people...I'd like to add to that, that more dangerous than being stupid is being self-righteous, self-intitled, spoiled little bratts. People always assume they're so special. It drives me nuts.
You've got people performing sex changes? "I felt like I was born a man... Well you weren't! Suck it up! But people are so damn self-intitled that they now go out and buy body parts...WTF? That's just an example but it shows how important people thing they are.
People get what they want, period, and when they don't they whine and complain about it until they do. Conservatism doesn't stand a chance...there has to be a line drawn somewhere. You keep crossing that line because something doesn't quite sit right with "your" panties so you cross it, and keep crossing it, until the sanctity of what ever it was in the first place is lost forever. Damn cry babys.
Rant off. Not talking about anyone here.
Today at work I had about 15 phone calls about a mysterious man walking the grounds of the School in full camo. Being in charge of maintenance I get called when no one else knows what to do. So I went and talked to the guy and all is fine.
Point being people panic, we live in a time where the goverment tells us to be alert, and report anything that troubles them... Its perfectly legal for me to buy certain things used in making a bomb, certian pesticides for instant or cleaners. But I could have the cops question me if I were to buy all those in huge amounts. Want to open carry fine, go for it. But don't start bitching when you are questioned by police, because legal as it is. People are still going to be concerned esp out in public around Consol.
Its like the kids who dress like assholes with white paint on their face and piercings all over, they love to be different. But bitch and moan when someone else beats the hell out of them for dressing funny.
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The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania has defined three types of police-citizen interaction: a mere encounter, an investigative detention, and a custodial detention. A mere encounter between police and a citizen need not be supported by any level of suspicion, and carries no official compulsion on the part of the citizen to stop or to respond. An investigatory stop, which subjects a suspect to a stop and a period of detention, but does not involve such coercive conditions as to constitute an arrest, requires a reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot. A custodial search is an arrest and must be supported by probable cause. In order for the reasonable suspicion standard to be met, an officer must identify specific and articulable facts which demonstrate that criminal activity may be afoot. This is an extremely low standard and an officer could say something like "based upon my experience this is a high crime area and the person was wearing gang colors." I think the officers were completely warranted in detaining the guys because they were trespassing on Consol Energy Center property.
The bottom line is that this guy is a complete jackass. What do you expect is going to happen when you carry a gun openly post 9/11 at a major event? Like someone else mentioned, just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should do it.
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